Galavant, First Look & Looking Back (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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A new episode of Couch Potatoes Unite!, which is based on a blog of the same name hosted at couchpotatoesunite.wordpress.com. In this episode, recorded in December 2016, our particularly melodious panel–including moderator Kylie, Kristen, Nick, Sarah, and Jenn–gathered together Around the Water Cooler to simultaneously take a First Look while Looking Back at recently canceled musical comedy Galavant.  If you have not watched any of Galavant, be aware that there are MAJOR SPOILERS.  Tell us what you think in the comments below, and check out the blog and YouTube for other TV related discussions, in both podcast and blog format. Also, if there are other shows you’re interested in the blog covering, sound off below! Tell us what you like or don’t like. Keep the discussion going!

PODCAST! – Pilots, Premieres, and First Looks & Looking Back at “Galavant” (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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Moderator: Chief Couch Potato Kylie

THE SPECS:

Who: “Galavant,” a musical comic fantasy that aired on ABC from 2015-2016.

What: Created and written by Dan Fogelman, with music and lyrics by Alan Menken and Glenn Slater, the series premiered on January 4, 2015, as the mid-season replacement for Once Upon a Time.  The series follows the adventures of Galavant (Joshua Sasse), a dashing knight hero down on his luck who is determined to reclaim his reputation and his “Happily Ever After” by going after the evil King Richard (Timothy Omundson), who ruined it the moment he kidnapped the love of Galavant’s life, Madalena (Mallory Jansen).

When: The show aired for two seasons from 2015 to 2016 on ABC.

Where: The show is set in the fictional realms of Valencia and Hortensia.  Don’t ask me where they actually are relative to our real world.

Why: Listen to the podcast for the panelists’ individual stories on how they found Galavant.

During the annual Fall TV Preview for the 2014-2015 season, CPU! Chief Kylie picked up this show for viewing.  When I picked it up, I said:

Oh come on!  They had me at musical fairy tale!  And while it could play out like an all 3-D Enchanted or maybe Glee meets Once Upon a Time, the trailer snippet renders the show much closer to Monty Python and the Holy Grail (or, more rightly, Spamalot).  The sheer novelty of it will have me tuning in!

The Chief CP did tune in when the show aired – for a couple of episodes anyway; however, it couldn’t keep my attention until I willed myself to watch the whole series when it was available for streaming on Netflix.  As it turns out, I was not the only panelist who felt this way.  Read on.

How – as in How Was It?

The pilot/premiere rating scale:

***** – I HAVE TO WATCH EVERYTHING.  HOLY SMOKES!

**** – Well, it certainly seems intriguing.  I’m going to keep watching, but I see possible pitfalls in the premise.

*** – I will give it six episodes and see what happens.  There are things I like, and things I don’t.  We’ll see which “things” are allowed to flourish.

** – I will give it three episodes.  Chances are, I’m mainly bored, but there is some intrigue or fascination that could hold it together.  No matter how unlikely.

* – Pass on this one, guys.  It’s a snoozer/not funny/not interesting/not my cup of tea… there are too many options to waste time on this one.

Galavant = 3.8, by average of the podcast panel.

SYNOPSIS

Galavant (Sasse) is assisted by Princess Isabella (Karen David), whose kingdom of Valencia Richard (Omundson) has conquered, and Sid (Luke Youngblood), his squire. Meanwhile, the malevolent but weak-willed Richard tries to win over the scheming Madalena and seeks help from his brawny henchman, Gareth (Vinnie Jones), and his chef, Vincenzo. The episodes chronicle Galavant’s journeys (and the twists and turns that go along with them) through musical numbers composed and written by Menken and Slater.

THOUGHTS

Surprisingly, a number of CPU! regular panelists were ready to sing at least modest praises for a show that aired for two seasons as a mid-season replacement for juggernaut Once Upon a Time, and that was unceremoniously canceled, a second time, after a fan campaign rescued the show from the so-called “cancellation bear” a first time.  Specifically, panelists Kristen, Nick, Sarah, and Jenn gathered “Around the Water Cooler” to take a “First Look” while “Looking Back” (we’re complicated around here!) at musical comedy Galavant, including its high notes, its low notes, and its questionable musical interludes in between.  Though this program’s two seasons came and went somewhat quickly, depending upon one’s point of view, they clearly made an impression, which the panel gleefully dissects in the episode below.

This podcast was recorded in December 2016, and there are, without question, MAJOR SPOILERS, as we cover major plot points, sight gags, and comedic situations in Galavant. Listen at your own risk, and let us know what you think by commenting below!

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Remember, new episodes and blog posts are published weekly!  Next Wednesday – another schedule change! – we’ll return to our mid-season check-ins and our seats around the Water Cooler as we discuss Season 3A of Gotham and the “Mad City” arc motoring the Batman prequel of late.  Stay tuned!

RECOMMENDATION

Galavant is recommended to people who love musicals and Disney and especially Disney musicals, owing to its fractured fairy tale setting punctuated by song (by Disney’s frequent composer Alan Menken, no less) and the occasional dance, though some of the panelists feel that the show does not hold up over multiple viewings.  This program is also recommended to those who might enjoy a Renaissance Fair or a Medieval Times reenactment, though these niches are really just flavors of and backdrop to a larger musical interplay propelling the Python-esque quality of the presentation. Most of the panelists would hesitate to recommend it to anyone who can’t stand or get through a musical, especially since it’s not the best musical around – with which all the panelists agree – and since this musical repeatedly riffs on other musicals as part of a larger running gag that only true musical lovers would likely appreciate.

THE FUTURE OF THE SHOW

Canceled!  Galavant was canceled after two seasons by ABC, though it enjoys a streaming afterlife on Netflix.  Because Galavant is handily self-contained, given its very palpable brushes with and ultimate fate in cancellation, as well as its cheeky self-awareness, one can enjoy it for what it is: a sprightly yet satirical musical extravaganza spanning two short but memorable seasons.  As such, if you can stomach a musical, the panel urges you to watch it at least once.

Supernatural (Season 12A, MAJOR SPOILERS)

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A new podcast episode of Couch Potatoes Unite!, which is based on a blog of the same name hosted at couchpotatoesunite.wordpress.com. In this episode, recorded in December 2016, our now full panel of unabashed Super-Fans – including moderator Kylie, Nick, Jen, Kelsey, Allie, and new panelist Jeremy – is Around the Water Cooler and discussing Season 12A (following the mid-season finale) of Supernatural, including the brothers (and mother) Winchester, angel Castiel, demon Crowley, and the ongoing shenanigans of Lucifer. If you have not watched any of Supernatural, be aware that there are MAJOR SPOILERS! Tell us what you think in the comments below and check out the blog and YouTube for other TV related discussions, in both podcast and blog format. Also, if there are other shows you’re interested in the blog covering, sound off below! Tell us what you like or don’t like. Keep the discussion going!

PODCAST! – Around the Water Cooler: “Supernatural” – The Season 12 Mid-Season Recap and Progress Report (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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Moderator: Chief Couch Potato Kylie

THE SPECS:

Who: “Supernatural” airs on network TV, specifically on the CW; this season, the show airs on Thursdays at 8:00 PM.

What: “Supernatural,” a drama depicting the tale of two brothers, Sam and Dean Winchester (Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles, respectively), who are “hunters” of all supernatural ilk, be they demons, monsters, or angels on high, in a quest to save the world from things that go bump in the night, things that cause apocalypses, and things that are generally just out to get them (for a more detailed Synopsis, read here: http://www.aceshowbiz.com/tv/supernatural/summary.html).

When: Season 12 premiered on October 13, 2016, at 8:00 PM on the CW.

Where: The show is set in no specific locale; the brothers ride all over the country in a 1967 Chevrolet Impala and live out of hotel rooms via fake identities and money scams, though the Winchesters are originally from Lawrence, Kansas, and have, as late, holed up in a bunker somewhere near their home town formerly run by the Men of Letters, an organization of which they are legacy members.  The time is present day.

Why:  Oh so many seasons ago now, Chief CP Kylie followed Jensen Ackles–a fine, fine man–from Smallville to his new gig, which, at the time, seemed like a different spin on the X-Files, with two brothers versus two sexually tense FBI agents.  From the opening frames of the pilot, though, I knew that it was oh so much more or, at least, vastly dissimilar to the X-Files, and this show has surpassed so many expectations, including mustering the incredible ability to remain relevant and engaging long past the expiration of the initial story arc mapped out by creator Eric Kripke.  For CPU!’s ever-expanding podcast coverage of a growing number of shows, several CPU! members, all familiar voices to the CPU! loyal, jumped up to participate on this panel, even though many of them also express fatigue with the show from time to time.  How do they feel the show is faring nowadays, into its double digits’ worth of seasons?  Take a listen below.

How – as in How’s It Going? (THOUGHTS…at present)

CPU! caught up on Supernatural in podcast format starting in the summer 2016 by refreshing listeners and ourselves of the goings-on of seasons nine and ten and recapping season eleven (since CPU! previously covered the show in blog format).  If you would like to catch up on our Super-coverage, click the embedded links below, or find the audio equivalents on iTunes, Stitcher Radio, and Google Play (links further below):

The Season 9 Premiere 

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Once again, your newly full Super-CPU! panel – including Nick, Jen, Kelsey, and Allie, along with recent addition Jeremy and all Super-fans in their own right – hops into our ’67 Chevy Impala, ready to ride until we, or Supernatural, die(s), as we discuss major plot points from, and ruminate upon the success of, the first half of season twelve.  While our panel’s particular devotion and/or brotherly bond continues to be sometimes tested in Supernatural’s later seasons, we still have lots to think and to talk about and to gush over whilst pining for the brothers and/or Cas (well, I don’t think Nick is pining…unless there’s something we don’t know).  Give us a listen, with your salt guns and holy water on standby, and see if you agree or disagree with our thoughts.

This podcast was recorded in December 2016, and there are, without question, MAJOR SPOILERS, as the panelists cover key plot points of the first half of season twelve of this long-running series. Listen at your own risk, and let us know what you think by commenting below!

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Remember, new episodes and blog posts are published weekly! Our next podcast episode will take a break from our mid-season progress reports as we look back at a show that ended, arguably, too soon (or maybe not soon enough) after two seasons and a lucky first evasion of the cancellation bear, possibly because it was somewhat ahead of its time and/or possibly because it was too derivative to be ahead of its time. What’s all the hoopla about, you ask, Tad Cooper?  Why, we’re looking back at none other than “Gaaaaaal-aaaaaa-vaaaaant!”  That’s Galavant, for you non-musical types. Stay tuned!

Questions, Impressions, and Future Considerations

Old Questions

1) REPEAT QUESTION: How many miles are on the Impala after all this time?

ANSWER: Still unknown.

2) REPEAT QUESTION: Will they ever get their happy ending?

REPEAT ANSWER: While the panel is in no particular rush for a series finale, especially after the stellar eleventh season, a season that hearkened back to the glory years of the first five seasons, it’s likely the brothers will not find peace until they are done.  That’s why Kansas tells them to Carry On, Wayward Sons.  “Lay your weary head to rest; don’t you cry no more.”

3) Is the Mary Winchester that greets Dean in the dark wood an actually resurrected Mary, a gift given to Dean by Amara the Darkness in return for his efforts on her behalf?  Or, is she a ghost with a message?  Panelist Jen predicts that we will see a Mary, alive and well and back in her sons’ lives, and the panel by and large hopes that this is true.

ANSWER: The Mary Winchester that greets Dean in the dark wood is the actually resurrected Mary, a thank-you gift from Amara the Darkness to Dean for reuniting her with her brother, God, aka Chuck the Prophet.  Jen predicted correctly, and all panelists agree, more or less, that Mary being back in her sons’ lives, more or less, is the most intriguing part of the season so far. Listen to the podcast for details.

2) Is Sam alive?  Of course he is.  Jared has top billing.  Or, will he end up dead in a spirit world or a heavenly plane or a hellish plane, from which Dean and Cas will have to save him anew?  Chief CP Kylie predicts that he is alive and will wake up in London with the Woman of Letters who shoots him.  What will happen to him there?  Who knows, but are humans anymore threatening than Lucifer or the Darkness?  None of the panel really feels the danger.

ANSWER: Of course, Sam is alive!  Kylie predicted only partially correctly, however. Sam woke up elsewhere in America, not London, only to be tortured by Lady Toni Bevell, the erstwhile Valerie (Elizabeth Blackmore) from The Vampire Diaries. She was really mean to him, quite the bully, and there is some continuous danger presented by the surprisingly judgmental British arm of the Men of Letters, but the panel, more or less, feels that this story line is the least intriguing, and most confusing, part of the season so far. Listen to the podcast for details.

3) Who is the Woman of Letters, played by the actress who played Valerie on The Vampire Diaries, and why should we care about her other than her ill-guided decision to shoot Sam? Will this arc be remotely compelling after the awesomeness that was Season 11?

ANSWER: Her name is Toni, and she apparently doesn’t follow orders well among her Men of Letters chapter’s chain of command.  She was only supposed to capture Sam and bring him to her compatriots, but she ended up torturing him to get answers she craved more than her colleagues did out of some perverse need for control and order; however, some other Men of Letters appeared after Dean and Mary swooped into save Sam, and Toni is gone again.  Will she be returning?  We don’t know and don’t know if we care because this arc is not compelling, particularly in relation to the preceding season’s awesome.

4) Where did Lucifer go after he was expelled from Cas’ vessel, and what will he do now that he’s out of the Cage (other than be played by Rick Springfield)?  Will Mark Pelligrino return next season to play Lucifer in his true form?  He’s popular among the panelists.

ANSWER: So far, Mark has not yet returned, but the panel remains hopeful.  Yes, it is true – Lucifer was sported by Rick Springfield’s body, playing a rocker by the name of Vince Vicente turned possessed-by-the-literal-devil type.  It seems poor Luci is feeling abandoned by Daddy (i.e. God) again and somewhat embroiled by a mid-immortal life crisis. Purposeless, Luci first explores the fine delights produced by one of the deadliest sins, namely pride/vanity, by enjoying the built-in worship of who is ultimately a washed-up rock star in Vince. After Luci as Vince has some run-ins with Crowley (Mark A. Sheppard), Crowley’s mom Rowena (Ruth Connell), and the brothers Winchester (Castiel i.e. Misha Collins in tow), and after Luci takes out some of Vince’s groupies, his agent, and his entire “butt rock” band Ladyheart, Luci jumps to bigger fish: namely, the President of the United States.  In that body, he takes a mistress and finds new purpose – through procreation.  His mistress Kelly becomes pregnant with his unborn spawn shortly before Sam and Dean use a Men of Letters gadget, a golden sphere typically used to suck out demon essences, loaned to them by efficient English Letters Man Mr. Ketch, to evict fallen archangel Luci from the POTUS.  Where he went is up for much debate among the CPU! Super panel and is one of our biggest questions going forward.

5) Will we ever see John Winchester, especially the one played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan, on Supernatural again?  Wouldn’t it be great if he was hanging out in Heaven with Bobby? Or, if he came back to life like Mary (if she, in fact, came back to life)?

ANSWER: No sightings of The Walking Dead actor yet, but the rumors are heavily percolating now among fanzines and pop culture/TV watchdogs.  We may yet see a reunion with JDM in his old Super stomping ground – maybe even this season! – but dead like Bobby or alive like Mary (or, gulp, maybe still dead and joined by a newly re-dead Mary) is anyone’s guess.  Please note that these rumors are unconfirmed, and CPU! is based out of Grand Rapids, Michigan, so no Supernatural insider is giving us information.  We just like to gossip around here.

6) Panelist Kelsey wondered, if the Horseman Death was killed in Season Ten, removing the Mark of Cain and releasing the Darkness, how are people still able to die?  Will Billie the Reaper return?  Is she vying to be the New Death?  What is her damage in the end? Why does she have it out for the Winchesters?  So, they get a few extra chances at life – they’re dealing in destinies here.

ANSWER: Billie the Reaper did return, to offer Mary the choice of returning to her death state via the reaping of her soul after Mary struggles to adjust to an Earth thirty years after her first death, but Mary, belatedly, declines that offer.  Billie may yet be vying to be “New Death,” and Kelsey’s questions on this subject persist.  We still don’t understand Billie’s true aims and particular beef with the Winchesters, but we may yet find out in the next half of the season.  So, this is still a question.

7) Will Castiel be more relevant in the future?  The panel feels that he may have lost his way; what will his purpose be now that Lucifer was ejected from him?  God (i.e. Chuck the Prophet and auteur of the Supernatural saga within the show) and the Darkness left for a “family meeting:” what’s going on with Heaven?  How will the angels pick up the pieces?

ANSWER: If by Cas teaming up, buddy cop and bromance style, with Crowley makes him more relevant, then he might have found his way again.  Cas spent the majority of this half season trying to track down Lucifer with dethroned King of Hell Crowley, and he was successful in doing so.  When the mid-season break arrived, Cas lost custody of a freaked POTUS mistress and mother of to-be devil spawn Kelly, who gave him the slip at a truck stop.  Cas will probably have to track her down.  In the meantime, we haven’t heard a lick out of the angels or Heaven this half season.  We don’t know if that’s good or bad.

8) Will Rowena, Crowley’s mom, be returning?  Why?  The panel is divided as to how they feel about her.

ANSWER: Rowena returned this season.  Really, she was trying to pick up the pieces of her immortal life post-apocalypse by getting herself a sugar daddy, but, in the end, she only found a fellow, decidedly less magical con artist who devoted son Crowley snuffed out in rankly loyalty to his mum when her suitor tried to leave equally destitute Rowena for a richer woman.  It was sweet.  Sort of.  Rowena also helped Crowley with a few anti-Lucifer spells, but Luci is pretty powerful, so when they didn’t hold, she and Crowley quickly disappeared, avoiding fallout from any battle between the Winchesters and Lucifer.

9) What is Crowley’s endgame at this point?  All the demons in hell gave over when Lucifer came back.  What is his purpose?  He’s not universally popular among our panel members.

ANSWER: All Crowley wants is his throne back.  Seriously, it’s power and prestige for the decidedly two-dimensional demon formerly named Fergus, but his chemistry with straight-laced, awkward angel Cas remains a source of endless comedy.

10) If Lucifer is out of the Cage, why can’t the archangel Michael, currently housed within long lost Winchester half brother Adam, escape from the Cage?  Will we ever see Adam/Michael again?

ANSWER: Still a question.  I, personally, have to believe that, with Lucifer out of Hell’s Cage, archangel Michael (whether inside half-Winchester Adam or not), has some time to sort through his sanity.  Here’s hoping he busts out.  There’s a disturbing lack of archangels nowadays.

New Questions

1) Will Mary ever get it together long enough to accept her new lease on life and her much older, adult sons?  Her adjustment seems prolonged.  Understandable but prolonged. What will be her purpose in the end?  Will she continue hunting?  Will she join #TeamWinchester? Or, will she be the footnote of yet another – and a repeat one at that – tragedy in the boys’ lives?

2) Seriously, why should we care about the British Men of Letters at all?  Why are they interfering?  Why does their approach with sussing out the boys’ methods suck?  Why can’t we abandon this piece of the story? Much of our panel feels that it’s not working, though some are still vaguely intrigued.

3) Will Toni return?  For what reason?  Or, did the Brits put her in “time out?”

4) Where did Lucifer go?  Some of the panel thought that his angel essence was entrapped by the Men of Letters golden snitch, while some saw it go through a floor vent.  Kylie predicts that Lucifer will most likely return to fetch his spawn.  What will his spawn be? Will his spawn be the “anti-Christ?”  Will his spawn be born?  Will his spawn bring about the end of times…again?

5) Will Sam, Lucifer’s predestined vessel, be forced to house Lucifer again, who burns through other human hosts quickly and destructively?  There seems to be some hint at that possibility, though Sam has avoided it successfully so far.

6) To that end, the “American Nightmare” episode hearkened back to and reminded the viewer that Sam was once one of demon Azazel’s children, with psychic abilities.  In that episode, Sam encountered a strict religious family who demonized their daughter Magda for having psychic ability.  In that episode, Sam told Magda that he once had similar abilities.  When she asked if he still did, Sam answered that he “thought” they were gone. Will we be seeing a return of Sam’s psychic abilities?  He’s always been highly intuitive; if they do return, what will be the context?  What will be the purpose?  What will he do with them?  Will he be good or evil? The panel kind of wants to see this happen.

7) The John Winchester question remains a question: will we see him this season?  And played by whom?  And will he be alive or dead?

8) The Billie the Reaper question remains a question: is she aiming to be New Death? What is her true intention?  Or, is she a dutiful bureaucrat, operating status quo in the absence of her boss? Will she be successful in reaping Mary’s newly returned soul?  The brothers’?

9) The angel question remains a question – Heaven seems disturbingly quiet…

10) Where did Rowena and Crowley go?  Is Crowley back on his basement throne again? Will Rowena return to her witch-y ways, since her dreams of marrying her sugar daddy went bust and since she seems to have somewhat repaired her estrangement from her son?

11) Last we saw, Sam and Dean were taken into federal custody because once Lucifer was sucked out of the POTUS with the Golden demon essence sucking Snitch, it appeared as if Sam and Dean had hurt the President, causing the Secret Service and federal marshals to descend upon them and to arrest them.  The panel feels confident that they will escape or be released; we just don’t know how.  Will Castiel, vexed by losing Satan’s spawn, save them? Will Crowley?  Will they break out themselves? Will they get off with presidential pardon? And then, where does the show go from here?

And, for the record, Dean killed Hitler.

PARTING SHOTS

Some doubts have resurfaced among the members of our Supernatural panel.  Though we all remain committed until the end of the show, whenever that may be, and though, in many ways, Supernatural is still like a well oiled machine – a quality program with a cultivated, passionate cult fan base, even if the quality is not necessarily consistent in its late life – the panel is struggling somewhat with season twelve so far. In this episode, we wrestle with the arguably realized risk that during this season, the show is becoming slightly boring.  We also wrestle with the not as debatable but realized risk that the show is bloated by too many story lines that do not seem to intersect but for the presence of the Winchester boys themselves. The panel members all still agree that Supernatural could never be completely unwatchable, owing to the writing, acting, and quirks of the mythology (and the sheer beauty of its cast), but the general consensus was that the show took on three major story lines that have not dovetailed together as well as might have been expected in the return of Mary Winchester, Lucifer on Earth, and the British Men of Letters.  The panel remains hopeful that the writers and producers will help them meaningfully intersect by the end of the season in a way that pays the viewer off, like season eleven did. There remains nothing like Supernatural on TV right now, at any rate, and despite the panel members’ individual gripes, all members feel that the show is still entertaining, even this late in its lifetime. Carry On, Wayward Sons, as we prepare to watch what the rest of season twelve has to offer.

LOOKING AHEAD

Supernatural was automatically ordered for a full season upon renewal and will return from its mid-season hiatus on January 26, 2017. In addition, the CW has granted what was an all-but-confirmed (until last week) early renewal for the show’s lucky thirteenth season, which means the CPU! Super-panel will be sticking around yet. In fact, our Supernatural podcast panel will next reconvene following the twelfth season finale, which will likely air in or around May 2017. As always, CPU! will keep you informed of news and additional show coverage.  Until then!

Grimm (Seasons 3-5, MAJOR SPOILERS)

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A new (and unusually long!) podcast episode of Couch Potatoes Unite!, which is based on a blog of the same name hosted at couchpotatoesunite.wordpress.com. In this episode, recorded in January 2017, our panel of CPU! supernatural and fairy tale enthusiasts – including moderator Kylie, Kristen, Nick, and Jen – is Around the Water Cooler and discussing Seasons 3-5, with particular emphasis on Seasons 4 and 5, of Grimm, from Adalind’s pregnancy with Diana and the consequences of the spell that she underwent to regain her hexenbiest abilities, to the introduction of Trubel, to Monroe and Rosalee’s wedding, to Juliette becoming victim to a spell of Adalind’s, accidentally rendering Juliette a newly born hexenbiest, to Renard’s ping-pong loyalties to Nick, and to Nick’s acquisition of the Grimm artifact that might change the whole game.  If you have not watched any of Grimm, be aware that there are MAJOR SPOILERS! Tell us what you think in the comments below and check out the blog and YouTube for other TV related discussions, in both podcast and blog format. Also, if there are other shows you’re interested in the blog covering, sound off below! Tell us what you like or don’t like. Keep the discussion going!

PODCAST! – Around the Water Cooler: “Grimm” – Reflections on Season Three and Recapping Seasons Four and Five (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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Moderator: Chief Couch Potato Kylie

THE SPECS:

Who: “Grimm” currently airs on network TV, specifically on NBC, Fridays at 8:00 PM.

What: “Grimm,” a supernatural/fantasy drama, wherein supernatural forces, the stuff of nightmarish fairy tales and legends, are disguised as human beings, and only those descended from the original Brothers Grimm, can see – and fight – those beings and their true natures (for a more detailed Synopsis, read here: http://www.aceshowbiz.com/tv/grimm/summary.html).

When: Season Three aired from October 25, 2013, to May 16, 2014; Season Four aired from October 24, 2014, to May 15, 2015; and Season Five aired from October 30, 2015, to May 20, 2016, on NBC.

Where: The show is set in Portland, Oregon.

Why:  The premise of this show has always been intriguing: Grimms are not weavers of fairy tales but are humanity’s last line of defense against the beasts and monsters that haunt our nightmares. This generation’s Grimm is a police detective who stumbles into his family legacy by accident and must adjust what is his mostly normal life to these new abnormalities.  The mythology in this show is steep, meaning it will always be a cult TV show at best, but cult TV tends to appeal to this group of CPU! panelists more than mainstream/non-cult TV, and none of us have been disappointed by Grimm so far…and we continue to be drawn into its mythical and magical world, as the show only gets better in the process.

How – as in How’s It Going? (THOUGHTS…at present)

It’s been a while since CPU! covered Grimm, another of the Chief Couch Potato’s favorite shows; in fact, CPU! Chief Kylie briefly covered the show in blog format during season three, here.  As with some other “catch up” panels, you can blame it on starting a podcast! Or, as before, we can just agree to make this cult favorite centered on supernatural hunters purportedly descended from the Brothers Grimm another candidate for the podcast, especially since your main moderator always plays catch-up but also since some CPU! regulars love this show as much as I do!

Thus, here we present another new CPU! podcast episode and panel, featuring frequent CPU! panelists Kristen, Nick, and Jen. In so doing, we play catch up with the world of Grimm Nick Burkhardt (David Giuntoli), and the merry band of wesen with which he comes into contact (both friend and foe), spanning the time since CPU! last checked in on the third season.  We cover major plot points from seasons three through five: from Adalind’s (Claire Coffee) pregnancy with Diana and the consequences of the spell that she underwent to regain her hexenbiest abilities, to the introduction of Trubel (Jacqueline Toboni), to Monroe (Silas Weir Mitchell) and Rosalee’s (Bree Turner) wedding, to Juliette (Bitsie Tulloch) becoming victim to a spell of Adalind’s, accidentally rendering Juliette a newly born hexenbiest, to Renard’s (Sasha Roiz) ping-pong loyalties to Nick, and to Nick’s acquisition of the Grimm artifact that might change the whole game.  Our panel’s devotion to Grimm is as steadfastly loyal as it is to other genre shows that CPU! coversbased upon the program’s roots to the Brothers Grimm and to the history of monster stories throughout the ages.  Give the new episode a listen, and see if you agree or disagree with our thoughts.

This podcast was recorded in January 2017, and there are, without question, MAJOR SPOILERS, as the panelists cover key plot points of the first three seasons. Listen at your own risk, and let us know what you think by commenting below!

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Questions, Impressions, and Future Considerations

Old Questions from Prior Season Three Coverage

1) What do the Royals really want with Nick/any remaining Grimms, other than their extinction? Why not just kill him?

ANSWER: This is still a question.  The Royals have taken a back seat throughout Season Five, and in Seasons Three and Four, they were primarily concerned with ensuring that they retained possession of Diana, Adalind and Sean’s daughter, born during the third season.  The panel always believed that the Royals wanted all of the Grimms dead, but these alleged Royals, presumably wesen though the panel is unclear about this, don’t take very feisty actions against Nick as much as against those around him.  Will the Royals return in Season Six, Grimm’s final season, and if they do, what will be their aim? Since the King is dead, who will be in charge? Also, are the Royals actually wesen? Are they behind the pro-wesen terrorist organization Black Claw?  Will Sean, as the illegitimate heir to the wesen throne spearhead what remains of Black Claw and pit himself against Nick? We need some clarification.

2) Will Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio return as Nick’s mom this season [season three]?  The season preview seemed to suggest so.

ANSWER: Nick’s mom, Kelly, did return.  In fact, she helped to protect baby Diana from the Royals by taking custody of her and going into hiding to protect her, as a group known as the Resistance (wesen against the power and corruption of the Royals) saw Diana as a possible savior or weapon in support of their cause.  They also wanted to protect this powerful, magical baby from the clutches of her relatives (Sean is an illegitimate son of the King).

3) How will Juliette deal with all of this – she just started learning all of Nick’s heritage and seems to accept it, despite her pre-magically induced amnesiac doubts?

ANSWER: Juliette, a historically unpopular character, struggled with the truth about Nick to the point that the two were somewhat estranged for a time, though they loved each other deeply.  Unfortunately, events at the end of this season and during seasons four and five complicated their romance further.  Listen to the podcast for details.

4) Now that Adelind has her hexenbiest (witch-like creature) magic back, what is her endgame?

ANSWER: Well, she had it back for awhile, temporarily.  Then, because she needed Nick and his friends to help get Diana back from the Royals, and because she instigated a chain of events that led to Juliette’s accidental conversion to a hexenbiest, she agreed to suppress her abilities to help Juliette.  Unfortunately, it was not a permanent suppression.  Her endgame, though, since season three, has become exclusively about reuniting with and protecting her children (there is more than Diana….listen to the podcast for details).

5) Will the show veer away from “monster of the week” tales into a more mythology-focused storytelling structure?  It may be time to do so: how many new creatures can Nick encounter? Progress is key to longevity, after all.

ANSWER: Like The X-Files, Grimm has found a way to balance both formats, and to incredibly create new wesen concepts all the time, though in season five, the writers have allowed the mythology aspects to flourish.  It was the right call.  The MOW episodes effectively create and establish the world that Grimm inhabits, but it’s the mythology that draws all of the panelists, your moderator included, back repeatedly to watch the show for what will ultimately be all six of its seasons.

New Questions

1.) Will the Royals return in the sixth season?  If they do, what will be their aim?  Are they behind the wesen uprising organization known as “Black Claw?” Who is the ultimate head of “Black Claw?” Is Sean head of both now?  Why?

2) What is the stick that Nick found in the Grimm treasure chest, and what part will it have to play in the coming episodes?  Does it only work when he touches it?  Is it meant for him or for any Grimm?  Is it divine in origin?  Where was it found?  Why do the Grimms have it? Can wesen use it?  Does it heal but also take life away?  So many questions have been raised!

3) Will young Diana, who has grown at an alarming rate, be the “Big Bad” of the final season, with her bratty child demeanor and potent magical ability?  How will Adalind (and Sean) keep her in check?

4) Is Juliette still a hexenbiest? Will she be more Juliette-like since coming into contact with the magical Grimm healing stick?

5) Will there be a war between wesen and humans?  Did Black Claw and the resistance organization Hadrian’s Wall effectively incite one?  Are humans more aware of wesen now?

6) Will Nick end up with Juliette or will he be with Adalind, who he now also loves and who has custody of their son, Kelly (listen to the podcast for details)?  Will Adalind be able to return to Nick?

7) Does Sean really subscribe to Black Claw’s philosophies?  What will he do that he is now mayor, owing to the fact that he “got in bed” with Black Claw, who aims for wesen to live free as the creatures they are?  Who will be promoted to Captain of the South Precinct? Will Hank (Russell Hornsby)?  Will Wu (Reggie Lee)?  Will Nick?

8) Is there a cure for Wu’s lycanthrope condition?  Rosalee said there wasn’t one, but she’s pretty resourceful with spices and teas.  What will happen to him?  What is he, really?

9) Rosalee is pregnant.  Will the baby be half blutbaten, half fuchsbau, or one or the other? Will she be able to have it, since wesen mixing is uncommon?

10) Will baby Kelly be half hexenbiest (or zauberbiest), half Grimm, or one of the other?

11) Will Hank finally find a woman or fall in love with one who doesn’t leave him or physically threaten his life in some way?

12) What is at the end of the tunnels underneath Nick’s secret bunker apartment? Why did we spend so much time worrying about those tunnels, except to set up the other characters’ escape from Black Claw and Sean while Nick stayed behind to fight them when they descended upon the loft?

13) What will Sean do to Nick, since Nick took out all of the Black Claw that came to kill him?

14) What will Nick do to Sean, since Adalind was coerced into leaving Nick with Kelly to be Sean’s political trophy wife and Diana’s caretaker with the promise that Adalind could be reunited with Diana?

15) Will baby Kelly grow as fast as Diana?  Or, was Diana augmented by the spell that Adalind underwent in season three to regain her hexenbiest abilities?  Will these young but presumably magical siblings have to duke it out somehow?  Will Kelly grow at an alarming rate?  Or, will the show time jump during the final season?

16) How will the show end?  Will there be a “happily ever after” for our characters?  Will we lose someone this season?  How will these thirteen episodes shape up?

17) Are Nick and Trubel related after all?  What does the ancient Grimm registry reveal?

18) Will any of the characters end up dying?  The podcast panelists feel that Wu, Monroe, Rosalee, and Adalind are particularly susceptible to possible collateral self-sacrifice because of their histories (Wu has the strange lycanthrope disorder, Monroe and Rosalee constantly run into danger for Nick, and Adalind does the same for her children and may do something self-sacrificing for Nick or even for Juliette, as she has sometimes done in the past).

PARTING SHOTS

Grimm has become appointment television for our devout panelists, should they find themselves at home and with the appetite for a Friday fright night.  It’s still not a perfect program and will never be more than a cult favorite because of its steep mythological aspects and show-specific jargon, but the fan base it has cultivated in six years is voracious and loyal. NBC also continues to allow Hulu and other venues to air full seasons of the show, not just five or six episodes at a time for those looking to catch up, and the entire panel recommends Grimm to anyone who likes anything about the fantasy or horror genres and advises that such genre nerds consider catching up, since the show is almost finished and is available to stream on Amazon Prime and on Hulu. Grimm remains well written and worth the look and has only become better as the seasons have progressed. Also, for those who care, David Giuntoli is quite enjoyable to look at…Anyway, in the end, season six, officially the final season, consists of only thirteen episodes, but our panel believes, cautiously, that they may be the best episodes yet.  In fact, we can’t wait to find out if Grimm goes out on a high note, and we predict that it will.

LOOKING AHEAD

The sixth season of Grimm premiered on January 6, 2017, and has been announced to be the official final season.  The season will consist of a total of thirteen episodes, which will air Fridays on NBC from January through March 2017.  CPU! will return to talk about Grimm in a two-part goodbye series digesting the sixth season and looking back at the series as a whole following the airing of that finale.  Until then!

Upcoming Schedule!

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Due to lives behind the podcasts (this week is especially hectic, fellow couch potatoes), and the fact that we have a special bonus longer episode this week about cult favorite Grimm, this week’s episode will be released tomorrow night! Our next four weeks of podcasts look like this:

This week: Grimm, Seasons 3-5 (Thursday).

Next week: Supernatural, Season 12A (Wednesday)

The following week: Looking Back at Galavant (Wednesday)

The week after that: The 100, Seasons 1-3, Parts One and Two (Wednesday)

New episodes are coming down the pike, including new panels, such as for Stranger Things, Gilmore Girls, and Sherlock, and new episodes from old panels, including Gotham and the DCTU.  Don’t miss them! Stay tuned!