Supernatural, Season 13B (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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A new podcast episode of Couch Potatoes Unite!, which is based on a blog of the same name hosted at In this episode, recorded in August 2018, our newly full panel of unabashed Super-Fans – including moderator Kylie, Nick, Jen (S), Kelsey, Jeremy, and a panelist new to the panel, but not to the podcast, Jenn (K) – is Around the Water Cooler and discussing Season 13B (following the season finale) of Supernatural, including the brothers (and mother) Winchester, angel Castiel, the ongoing shenanigans of Lucifer, and his son, nephilim Jack. If you have not watched any of Supernatural, be aware that there are MAJOR SPOILERS! Tell us what you think in the comments below and check out the blog and YouTube for other TV related discussions, in both podcast and blog format. Also, if there are other shows you’re interested in the blog covering, sound off below! Tell us what you like or don’t like. Keep the discussion going!

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PODCAST! – Around the Water Cooler: “Supernatural” – The Season 13 End of Season Recap and Review (MAJOR SPOILERS)


Moderator: Chief Couch Potato Kylie


Who: “Supernatural” airs on network TV, specifically on the CW, though it is currently on hiatus; this past season, the show aired on Thursdays at 8:00 PM.

What: “Supernatural,” a drama depicting the tale of two brothers, Sam and Dean Winchester (Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles, respectively), who are “hunters” of all supernatural ilk, be they demons, monsters, or angels on high, in a quest to save the world from things that go bump in the night, things that cause apocalypses, and things that are generally just out to get them (for a more detailed Synopsis, read here:

When: The Season 13 finale aired on May 17, 2018, at 8:00 PM on the CW.

Where: The show is set in no specific locale; the brothers ride all over the country in a 1967 Chevrolet Impala and live out of hotel rooms via fake identities and money scams, though the Winchesters are originally from Lawrence, Kansas, and have, as late, holed up in a bunker, somewhere near their home town, formerly run by the Men of Letters, an organization of which they are legacy members.  The time is present day.

Why:  Oh so many seasons ago now, Chief CP Kylie followed Jensen Ackles–a fine, fine man–from Smallville to his new gig, which, at the time, seemed like a different spin on the X-Files, with two brothers versus two sexually tense FBI agents.  From the opening frames of the pilot, though, I knew that it was oh so much more or, at least, vastly dissimilar to the X-Files, and this show has surpassed so many expectations, including mustering the incredible ability to remain relevant and engaging long past the expiration of the initial story arc mapped out by creator Eric Kripke.  For CPU!’s ever-expanding podcast coverage of a growing number of shows, several CPU! members, all familiar voices to the CPU! loyal, jumped up to participate on this panel, even though many of them also express fatigue with the show from time to time.  How do they feel the show is faring nowadays, into its double digits’ worth of seasons?  Take a listen below.

How – as in How’s It Going? (THOUGHTS…at present)

To catch up on our Super-coverage, click the embedded links below, or find the audio equivalents on iTunes, Stitcher Radio, and Google Play (links further below):

The Season 9 Premiere 

Seasons Nine, Ten, and Eleven

Season 12A

Season 12B

Season 13A

Our Super-CPU! panel experienced more changes since its last meeting!  Two sticking-around panelists happily returned to the Water Cooler to stick around some more; two panelists triumphantly reentered this dimension from temporary hellatus, no doubt after living the high life in the Apocalypse World; and one voice new to the panel but not to the podcast jumped on board to render our Supernatural panel newly full again!  All panelists proved eager to talk about the second half of this unluckily numbered season with gusto.  Thus, Nick, Jen (S), Kelsey, Jeremy, and new panelist Jenn (K), along with your trusty Chief CP and moderator, hop into our ’67 Chevy Impala, always ready to ride until we, or Supernatural, die(s), as we discuss major plot points from, and ruminate upon the success of, the second half of Season 13.  While our panel’s particular devotion and/or brotherly bond continues to be sometimes tested in Supernatural’s later seasons, we still have lots to think and to talk about and to gush over whilst pining for the brothers and/or Cas (well, I don’t think Nick is pining…unless there’s something we don’t know).  Give us a listen, with your salt guns and holy water on standby, and see if you agree or disagree with our thoughts.

This podcast was recorded in August 2018, and there are, without question, MAJOR SPOILERS, as the panelists cover key plot points of the second half of Season 13 of Supernatural. Listen at your own risk, and let us know what you think by commenting below!

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Remember, new episodes and blog posts are published weekly! Next Wednesday, our X-Files panel triumphantly returns to the Water Cooler after a whopping two-year hellatus of its own to ruminate upon the latest revival Season 11 and to speculate upon whether Agents Mulder and Scully are done for good, since Gillian Anderson explicitly told the press she was finito earlier this year). Stay tuned!

Questions, Impressions, and Future Considerations

Old Questions

1) REPEAT QUESTION: How many miles are on the Impala after all this time?

REPEAT ANSWER: Still unknown.

2) REPEAT QUESTION: Will they ever get their happy ending?

REPEAT ANSWER: While the panel is in no particular rush for a series finale, although maybe that’s less true nowadays, it’s likely the brothers will not find peace until they are done.  That’s why Kansas tells them to Carry On, Wayward Sons.  “Lay your weary head to rest; don’t you cry no more.”

3) REPEAT QUESTION: If Lucifer (Mark Pelligrino) is out of the Cage, why can’t the archangel Michael, currently housed within long lost Winchester half brother Adam, escape from the Cage? Will we ever see Adam/Michael again?

NEW ANSWER: Well…we see a version of Michael this season, namely the Michael from “Apocalypse World,” where the archangel offed his brother Lucifer and now leads all angels in a war against demons and humans.  Does this mean we will also see a return of Adam/Michael in this dimension?  The answer is “not this season,” but the introduction of this New Michael could foretell a convergence of some heavenly forces we have previously met in order to stay the zealous New Michael’s blood lust.  Although, as of the end of this season, the forces have not (yet) converged as expected…keep reading.

4) REPEAT QUESTION: Crowley is dead as well, sacrificing his own life in exchange for a spell cast in an attempt to trap Lucifer in the alternate universe – only with Crowley’s death, Mark A. Sheppard also announced his departure from the show, so it seems the King of Hell is permanently pushing up demonic daisies.  Is this why Rowena is killed off?  Is she, in fact, killed off?  Or, did Rowena make a deal with the devil that allows her to survive? She’s been quite the survivor so far, after all.

NEW ANSWER: As we surmised, owing to a sizable clue from the improbably still alive Arthur Ketch, former British Man of Letters, who informs Sam and Dean that he was able to cheat death using a spell of the erstwhile King of Hell’s mum, Rowena reappears, having cheated death, or Death, once more.  In fact, in Season 13B, she seeks the boys’ help with the intention of changing Fate to save her son Crowley aka Fergus from permanent daisy pushing.  Unfortunately, Billie the Reaper aka Death, the Horseman Of, informs her that this is not to be.

5) REPEAT QUESTION: Will Jack be next season’s Big Bad?  Will Lucifer?  If neither of them are, who will be?

NEW ANSWER: The panel correctly predicted that Apocalypse World Michael would be the leading Big Bad of Season 13.  Asmodeus, as it turns out, was more bark than bite, except to Archangel Gabriel aka Loki aka the Trickster, who Asmodeus apparently captured after Gabriel cheated death by hand of devilish Lucifer in Season Five with a tricky Trickster slight of hand and a double of himself, unbeknownst to the Winchesters – or the viewer – since that time.

6) The perennial question: will we see John Winchester this season?  And played by whom?  And will he be alive or dead?

ANSWER: Perennially unanswered…

7) REPEAT QUESTION: How much of this alternate universe will we be dealing with, overall?  Will we continue to see alterna-Bobby (Jim Beaver)?  Will the apocalypse of that world spill into this one?  Will it cause another apocalypse on this side of the space/time tear?

NEW ANSWER: As it turns out, we spend quite a bit of time in Apocalypse World (AW), particularly in Season 13’s second half.  After Jack (Alexander Calvert) uses erstwhile Wayward Sister Kaia to dream-walk through dimensions, he finds himself stuck in AW with the intention of rescuing Mother Mary Winchester.  Mary, in the meantime, looks after Jack, particularly while Mary is held captive by AW Michael and, when they escape, while both parties fight for the Resistance.  In fact, toward the end of the season, the brothers, Castiel (Misha Collins), and Lucifer also take a trip to the AW, as AW Michael’s aim to find his way to Supernatural Prime world, i.e. this world, becomes ever more likely.  We see AW Bobby in addition to AW Prophet Kevin Tran, AW Charlie Bradbury (Felicia Day), and AW Castiel, who curiously sports a German accent, for Chuck knows why.  As for AW spilling into the Prime world, this prediction sort of comes true in a way.  First, Sam and Dean convince Mary to convince the Resistance fighters, who she has befriended, to come to Prime world to regroup in the face of the growing threat and success of Michael’s angelic troops.  In the meantime, Prime World’s Lucifer makes a deal with AW Michael to bring him to Prime World in exchange for Michael doing no harm to Lucifer’s son Jack, meaning that Lucifer escorts this murderous version of his younger archangel brother to the regular world.  This proves to be a miscalculation for all concerned. While no apocalypse on this side of the rift has yet begun, the entire Resistance and AW Michael are on this side, making it plenty likely that Apocalypse 3.0 or 4.0 (what number are we on, anyway?) will start any day now. Plus, the button on that season finale….listen to the podcast episode for details…

8) REPEAT QUESTION: A Prince of Hell named Ramiel held in his possession two intriguing items: Archangel Michael’s Spear or Lance and (wait for it) the Colt.  The Colt is currently broken, snapped in two by another Prince of Hell named Dagon, who Cas later snuffed.  Can the Colt be repaired?  By Sam?  How is the Colt powered?  Didn’t the Colt have a fixed number of bullets once upon a time?  More importantly, **where did the Colt go after Season 6?** How did Ramiel get a hold of it?  Why has the show not addressed the continuity of this gun?  Why was it brought back only to be broken?  WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS THING?!

REPEAT-ISH ANSWER: All questions currently without answers, including those about the Spear/Lance.  Though Michael, perhaps in all his incarnations, is going to be a big player in Season 14 (listen to the podcast episode for details).

9) REPEAT QUESTION: Also, the Spear/Lance is broken, I believe with Crowley’s help in that instance.  Will it be repaired, since Dean pockets the fragments?  Is it usable by anyone besides Michael? Dean is still a predestined Michael vessel – can he use it?  We repeat – will we ever see Michael out of the Cage again?

REPEAT ANSWER: Though the Spear/Lance remains broken, and though Supernatural Prime world’s Michael is still housed in half-brother Adam in Hell’s Cage, it may yet come to play…

10) REPEAT QUESTION: The Vampire Alpha dies in this season, owing to some clever British Men of Letter work.  Does this mean that all vampires die?  I know this is not The Originals, but what happens to the rest of the vampires in the event of the death of their alpha?

NEW ANSWER: Sheriff Donna encounters vampires this season.  HOW ARE THERE VAMPIRES?  What exactly does it mean to be an Alpha?  Dear Show Producers – we actually keep track of this stuff, yo!  And we are confused by the explanation or perception of monster “alphas.”

11) Where is the “Bad Place?”  Are there really dinosaurs, Big-Feet, or Godzillas making footprints over there?  What made the giant lizard footprint in the mid-season finale?  How will Sam and Dean get back to the dimension/world they call home?  Will the “Wayward Sisters” have to be the ones to rescue them?

ANSWER: The Bad Place is another dimension, another world, another version of Earth, where there are great big monsters that make great big, giant footprints.  As for the boys getting back to Prime World, they have Castiel’s human host, Jimmy’s, daughter, i.e. Wayward Sister Claire, to thank for that.  Jack and Kaia’s efforts leave a lingering opening rift to this other dimension.  Claire resolves to save the boys, and she has some back up from Sheriffs Jody and Donna, as well as the other Wayward Sisters, to do it.  Her gambit, though messy, is ultimately successful.  Unfortunately, the Wayward Sisters backdoor pilot was not.

12) What side will Jack fall on in the end?  Will he defend the Winchesters until he cannot defend them anymore?  Or, will he align with his dad?  Or, will he align with a wild card third party, like Castiel, Apocalypse World Michael, or Asmodeus?

ANSWER: Jack, despite all of his Dad’s best efforts, remains essentially “Chaotic Good,” though Lucifer’s antics near the end of the season may have permanently removed some of the chaos associated with Jack’s archangel nephilim status.  Jack does his best to defend both the Winchesters and Castiel, even against his Dad when they finally have a chance to talk and when Lucifer starts spinning his web of devilish temptations, but Lucifer ultimately chooses to sacrifice his own son in the end to guarantee his power, in the poster example of the deadliest sin of Pride/Vanity, and to ward off the AW version of his brother, Michael.  Jack fights against AW Michael and is determined to kill him while he is in the AW, right up until Lucifer steals his own son’s grace on this side of the dimensional rift.  What will this mean for Jack next season?  Only time will tell.

13) Just how much of the “Wayward Sisters” will we be watching on the parent show?  The panel votes, hopefully, not so much.

ANSWER: Thankfully, it was really just one more episode, namely the episode following the mid-season break.  The CW did not order the spin-off to series, and the Wayward Sisters do not reappear on Supernatural for the rest of the season.

14) Is Michael from Apocalypse World truly the Big Bad of the season? Will he break through to this dimension?  Will he run up against Jack?  Will he break the “Shedim” out of hell?

ANSWER: Yes, AW Michael is Season 13’s Big Bad.  Jack is ready to take him out in AW but does not get a solid chance.  Plus, AW Michael is now on this side of the dimensional divide, thanks to the wheeling and dealing of Prime World’s Lucifer.  As for the “Shedim,” it seems they are a plot device that is quickly forgotten, particularly since Asmodeus, the final Prince of Hell, is quickly snuffed out by the very-much-alive (at the time) and totally back on his groove Archangel Gabriel.

15) Will Lucifer encounter his son?  Will Jack have to battle his dad? Will Jack be wooed by the lure of being with his actual father?  Or, will he remain true to Sam, Dean, and Cas?

ANSWER: Lucifer finally achieves some father/son bonding time in AW after Rowena, also not dead, opens the rift and accidentally fights off the Devil by magically blowing him into the rift, through which the Winchesters and Cas already passed, in order to save Mother Mary and Jack.  There is no true battle between Lucifer and Jack; when Lucifer eventually double crosses his son, which comes as no surprise to anyone but Jack himself, Lucifer steals Jack’s grace and ups his own mojo in the process.  Jack is temporarily wooed by the prospect of spending time with Dad, particularly when Lucifer attempts to convince Jack to leave Earth with him following Lucifer’s deal with AW Michael, who plans to take over Prime World.  In the end, though, Jack remains true to those he believes to be his family: the brothers and angel Cas, who care for him for most of the entire six months of his life.

16) What point or purpose does Prince of Hell Asmodeus really serve, if any at all?

ANSWER: Asmodeus is really mostly a B villain, there to pose some threat to the Winchesters and to Castiel (and to Jack) while the plot stays primarily in Prime World.  We find out, however, that Asmodeus, who Lucifer described as the “runt of the litter” in terms of Hell’s princes, is able to become strong because he captured the long-lost, not-dead Gabriel and is siphoning off his grace.  In the end, though, Asmodeus is gone as quickly as his Colonel Sanders, white suit wearing visage is introduced, particularly when Gabriel rediscovers his own ruthless streak again.

17) Is the show trying to suggest that Jack might be Chuck/God’s successor, capable of creating other life, such as new angels, who are apparently becoming extinct?  How many angels, exactly, are left?  And why do they stupidly keep going after the Winchesters, Cas, or anyone else related to them?

ANSWER: The first question does not have an answer, though Jack becoming a new God seems unlikely, if Lucifer stealing his son’s grace is somehow permanent.  Regarding the second question, according to a surprisingly alive angel Naomi, there are exactly 11 angels left, including Cas and Lucifer, but not including Jack or Gabriel.  Regarding the third question, the angels essentially stop pursuing the Winchesters and Cas, though they hope that Jack and, later, Lucifer (of all angels) can help them keep Heaven afloat.  As Naomi explains, the angels are what allow Heaven to exist; they keep the lights on and the gates pearly.  Unfortunately, with the imminent extinction of angels, Heaven is holding on by a thread, and Naomi makes no bones about telling Cas that, should Heaven fail, all of the souls currently housed there would fall to Earth and be ripe for the plucking by Hell’s Demons.  So…about that Apocalypse…

18) Will Sam’s powers return?  He continues to obliquely reference them…

ANSWER: So far, Sam has not tapped into the allegedly dormant powers he received from Prince of Hell Azazel, but, with the end of the season as it is, he might need to think outside of the box and use those powers for the good of the entire universe in the coming season.

19) How will Jack return to this dimension, if at all?  Will he save mother Mary?  Will Mary keep him on the good side of “chaotic neutral?”  Will Sam and Dean reunite with their mother?  Will Mary survive all that Supernatural throws at her?

ANSWER: Jack returns to this dimension via the help of a witch on a redemption arc, namely Rowena, who helps open the rift for the Winchesters and Cas and who holds it open as long as they are in AW.  Mary and Jack are able to return with the boys and Cas, along with the rest of the AW Angel Resistance, through the rift.  Jack is arguably “chaotic good” now, though he does seem, at least when he has his grace, that he has better control of his powers in the second half of Season 13.  Sam and Dean also reunite with Mary in AW, who is not willing to come back with them at first, having aligned herself with the Resistance fighters when she learns from AW Bobby that an absence of Mary making her crossroads deal in AW, and not having her children, indirectly led to the Angel War that tore apart that dimension.  So far, Mary survives – and may be nurturing some chemistry with Bobby.  Would that be weird?  We’re on the fence.

20) How much should we continue to care about the Empty?  Will it come back to haunt Castiel or any of the rest of our characters because Cas escaped?

ANSWER: So far, the Empty stays empty.  We visit once for the sake of Cas’ resurrection, but the show has not revisited the concept.  Of course, angels are near extinct, and demons aren’t faring better given the turnover in the Throne of Hell position.  We might yet see (or not see) the Empty again.

21) How will Lucifer and Cas escape Asmodeus’ captivity – we assume they will?

ANSWER: Lucifer, though at minimum grace levels, practices super hard; he realizes that he has just enough grace and just enough archangel prowess (he is the Devil, after all) to unlock the cages that hold him and Cas in Hell.  For that moment, the two angels team up and leave Hell, until Cas returns to the Winchesters, and Lucifer decides to knock on Heaven’s door.  Comedy abounds.

22) Has Death, as in The Horseman Of, died before the Winchesters killed off the Death we knew and awoke the Darkness?  Is Billie the second “Death” or one of many?

ANSWER: Still questions, particularly for panelist Nick, that are without answers at this time.

23) Why are the Winchesters “important,” in the end and apart from what we already know, as Billie aka Death told Dean in the first half of the season?

ANSWER: We have a feeling that this answer is ultimately part of the endgame for the series, and that we will not know said answer until the show is about to be done.

24) When we will see Bobby and Rowena return (because, frankly, the question of “if” has been spoiled by the characters’ portraying actors)?

ANSWER: Both characters return fairly early on in the second half of Season 13.  Rowena seeks the Black Grimoire to help resurrect her son Crowley by taunting Billie the Reaper aka the New Death through the magical smiting of Reapers to get her attention.  Mary and Jack, after escaping AW Michael’s captivity via ruse perpetrated by AW Prophet Kevin Tran, quickly find Bobby’s encampment/arm of the Angel Resistance in AW.

25) How are Jack and the previous “anti-Christ” who appeared in Season 5 related, if at all?  Is Jack truly an “anti-Christ?”

ANSWER: Still questions without answers.

New Questions

1) SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER….At the end of the season, Dean offers himself, as Michael’s Sword, his true vessel, to AW Michael in order to have strength enough to defeat Lucifer, souped up on Jack’s grace, which he steals from his confused and betrayed son.  Despite a tenuous deal with the archangel, wherein Dean would retain control of his body and mind, AW Michael double crosses him and takes over his vessel fully, meaning as we start Season Fourteen, the Dean we know and love will be sublimated by AW Michael, who, at last check, was very interested in ending humans’ existence in Supernatural Prime world.  Is this still his plan?  What will he do first? How long will we see Dean as AW Michael?  Will Dean fight AW Michael, in an epic internal battle for his soul?

2) Dean as AW Michael also seems to definitively defeat Lucifer, his wings torched and all.  Is the Devil truly dead?  How can that be possible?

3) Sam is Lucifer’s true vessel and now does not have that option to defeat Michael. What can he do to save his brother?  Will he have to tap his Azazel powers? Can Rowena resurrect an archangel?  Will he lead the Angel Resistance on this side of the rift?  How will he get his brother back?

4) Is Jack powerless?  Will he regain his grace?  How?  Will his power be enough to save Dean? To save this world? To save Heaven?

5) Are Mary and AW Bobby flirting?  Are they going to be a romantic item in future? Is that wise?

6) Is the Shedim an abandoned concept, with the quick death of Asmodeus?

7) Will they break this world’s Michael, still stuck in Adam the half brother and locked in Hell’s Cage, out of his prison?  Even though Lucifer drove him mad?

8) Will the remaining angels join a fight for or against AW Michael?  Will AW Michael snuff out the rest of the angels?

9) Will we see Heaven collapse next season?

10) Will the show actually be able to convince Jeffrey Dean Morgan to return, either in the event that we’re barreling toward the end of the show and/or if Heaven collapses, since he’s supposed to be up there somewhere?

11) Without Princes of Hell, Crowley, or Lucifer, who’s in charge downstairs?

12) How will they be able to defeat a super-charged AW Michael, made stronger by his perfect vessel, Dean?

13) Will Chuck/God return to help arbiter these extra-worldly conflicts? He might have to return to create more angels, to resurrect any that have been lost, and/or to help quell the conflict with AW Michael.  Will Amara/the Darkness return with him?

14) Will the show explain how it is that nephilim are stronger than the angels (or archangels, in some circumstances) that sire them?

15) Will we see any of the Wayward Sisters again, aside from Sheriff Jody and Sheriff Donna, i.e. Claire, Kaia, Patience, etc., despite the fact that the proposed spin-off was not picked up?


Our newly full Supernatural panel presented an increasingly diverse range of opinions about the most recent SPN half season.  Though much of our panel began watching this season encouraged by the mysteries, story threads, and new spins on some old horror tropes offered by Season 13, after struggling with the show during what the panel deemed to be a choppy and somewhat disjointed twelfth season, the second half of the season and, particularly, the brief end of season button divided our panel markedly.  Some enjoyed the season, noting the modestly fresh new aspects to this long-running story, including the interactions between mother Mary and Lucifer, the wild card that is Lucifer’s son Jack, and the return of a version of archangel Michael who, in no small way, resembles the Lucifer with which we have grown acquainted over eight or more seasons.  Some watch the series motivated by the curiosity that comes with needing to complete what was started, thirteen years or less ago (in fact, one panelist remarked that he likes to pay the bills while the show is on).  Still others, particularly the Chief CP, are filled with a renewed excitement by the prospect of what’s to come, feeling that Dean’s specific end of season fate constitutes a true “game changer” designed to steer the series toward an epic conclusion, which is likely nearer than we would want or expect, depending upon the viewer in question.  In any event, the fresh takes introduced this season, even the “Wayward Sisters,” coupled with the usual elements that keep Super fans coming back for more, helped the show to rebound from the lulls of Season 12 quite nicely.  As such, the panel members all still agree that Supernatural could never be completely unwatchable, owing to the writing, acting, and quirks of the mythology (and the sheer beauty of its cast). Though we are in the acknowledged winter of the program’s longevity, there remains nothing like Supernatural on TV right now, and despite the panel members’ individual gripes and barbs about things that strike us as strange – even for such a strange world as we have been watching for thirteen seasons – all panel members feel that the show is still entertaining, even this late in its lifetime. Carry On, Wayward Sons, as we prepare to start Season 14!


Supernatural was renewed for a fourteenth season, which is slated to premiere on Thursday, October 11, 2018, at 8:00 PM.  The Supernatural podcast panel will next reconvene following the fourteenth mid-season finale, which will likely air in or around December 2018. As always, CPU! will keep you informed of news and additional show coverage.  Until then!

DC Television Universe, Episode Thirteen, Arrow, Season Six (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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A new podcast episode of Couch Potatoes Unite!, which is based on a blog of the same name hosted at In this episode, recorded in July 2018, our DC Television Universe or DCTU panel – including moderator Kylie, Hilary, Kyle, Spencer, Kristen, and Nick – reconvenes Around the Water Cooler for the thirteenth episode of our DCTU ongoing series.  In this episode, the panel discusses Season 6 of the  Arrowverse namesake, Arrow. If you have not watched any of Arrow, be aware that there are MAJOR SPOILERS! Tell us what you think in the comments below and check out the blog and YouTube for other TV related discussions, in both podcast and blog format. Also, if there are other shows you’re interested in the blog covering, sound off below! Tell us what you like or don’t like. Keep the discussion going!

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PODCAST! – Around the Water Cooler: DC Television Universe Series, Episode 13, “Arrow” – Season Six, the DCTU Panel’s Review and Recap (MAJOR SPOILERS)


Moderated by: Chief Couch Potato Kylie


Who:  “Arrow” is a superhero/action/crime drama centered on events and characters inspired by the Green Arrow franchise/DC Comic Universe, which airs on the CW.

What: “Arrow,” a series developed by writer/producers Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, and Andrew Kreisberg that is based on the DC Comics character Green Arrow, a costumed crime-fighter created by Mort Weisinger and George Papp. The series follows billionaire playboy Oliver Queen (Stephen Amell), who, five years after being stranded on a hostile island, returns home to fight crime and corruption as a secret vigilante whose weapon of choice is a bow and arrow.


The series follows Oliver Queen (Amell), billionaire playboy of Starling City (now Star City), who spends five years shipwrecked on the mysterious island of Lian Yu. Upon his return to the city, he is reunited with his family, including his sister, Thea Queen (Willa Holland) and friends. Oliver awkwardly survives his days back in the city by rekindling his relationships, while he spends his nights hunting down and sometimes killing wealthy criminals as a hooded vigilante. Thea, John Diggle (David Ramsey), and Felicity Smoak (Emily Bett Rickards) assist Oliver in his crusade as does his ex-girlfriend, Laurel Lance (Katie Cassidy); flashbacks show how Oliver spent his time and gained the skill-set that he uses as (now) the Green Arrow.

When: Season Six aired on the CW from October 12, 2017, to May 17, 2018.

Where: The action is set in the fictional metropolis of Starling City, the primary setting of the Green Arrow franchise – though as of Season Four, the city was finally re-branded to be Star City like in the comic books.  The action does branch out in flashbacks to international locales, including Hong Kong, the Middle East, Russia, and a fictional island called Lian Yu.

Why: To find out why individual podcast panelists started watching this show, listen to the first DCTU podcast episode, where our panel covers the first two seasons of Arrow, via the embedded link below!  It should be noted that CPU! Chief Couch Potato Kylie was hesitant to watch it, feeling somewhat loyal to Justin Hartley’s portrayal of the Green Arrow on Smallville, which ended in 2011, while Arrow premiered in 2012.  Also, the Chief CP is pretty leery of character fatigue in comic book properties of late, which may be the subject of a separate podcast or blog entry.  So, what finally convinced me to watch it in the end? Other than a few good recommendations from viewers like you, listen to that first podcast episode to find out the reasons why I finally picked up the show in the end.

What kept me watching, though, is a different question.  Try this on for size:


How – as in How’s It Going? – THOUGHTS

This is the thirteenth episode in CPU!’s DCTU series.  Here are only the prior Arrow episodes in the series (as we flush out seasons of all Arrowverse shows, though, older episodes will only be searchable via the website – click the upper right dialog box in the header). Listen to each episode here:

DCTU Series, Episode 1, “Arrow,” Seasons One and Two

DCTU Series, Episode 2, “Arrow,” Seasons Three and Four

DCTU Series, Episode 10, “Arrow,” Season Five
DCTU Series, Episode 11, the DCTU Mid-Season Roundup, 2017
In our last episode, our cheeky and feisty DCTU panel – namely Kyle, Hilary, Spencer, Kristen, and Nick – began addressing the most recent full seasons of each of the four “Arrowverse” series in order of the airing of each season finale by starting with the third season of DC’s Legends of Tomorrow.  Tonight’s episode finds the panel returning to the Water Cooler to talk TV universe progenitor Arrow following another rocky, inconsistent, and somewhat bloated Season Six in, this, the thirteenth episode of our DCTU series.  The discussion herein evaluates the success of the Green Arrow’s season nemeses: Cayden James (Michael Emerson), Ricardo “The Dragon” Diaz (Kirk Acevedo), Earth 2’s Laurel Lance aka Black Siren (Katie Cassidy), and Anatoly Knyazev (the analogue to the comics’ KGBeast); the tedious number of (sometime) Green Arrow sidekicks; the continued trials of Oliver Queen as Star City Mayor as the FBI zeroes in on his vigilante secret identity; and a season ending that, again, could either reset everything we know about the Arrowverse’s namesake show or could be another overwrought but ultimately anticlimactic finish to another largely anticlimactic season.  In fact, for most of the panel, the assignment to watch Arrow as part of this podcast series remains “begrudging” territory, as nearly all of the panel, at this point, struggles with Arrow, and their waning affinity for it, more than with any of the other Arrowverse entries. Unlike last season, however, most if not all of the panel is losing hope that the writers will find the story center again, return to the excellent story execution of the first two seasons, and breathe new energy into this now late-life series.
This particular episode was recorded in July 2018, and there are, without question, MAJOR SPOILERS, as the panelists cover key plot points of Season Six of Arrow. Listen at your own risk, and let us know what you think by commenting below!

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Questions, Impressions, and Future Considerations

Old Questions

1) Who, if anyone, survives the destruction of Lian Yu by a suicidal Prometheus, since everyone but Ollie and his son William presumably stood on the island rigged with dynamite, triggered to explode by Prometheus’ “dead man switch” and self-imposed death, at the end of the fifth season?

ANSWER: The real question is who, if anyone, does not survive the Lian Yu explosion because, shockingly, the only seemingly confirmed casualties from the exploding island: Malcolm Merlyn (John Barrowman), who died via buried land mine prior to the big explosion, and Prometheus, who offed himself in front of Ollie and William.  In other words, every single character that was on that island survives.  And they say miracles don’t exist.

2) Does Oliver choose to raise his son in the wake of this explosion, since William’s mother follows Ollie to the island after learning that William has been kidnapped by Prometheus?

ANSWER: Yes, Oliver chooses to raise William with Felicity’s (Rickards) help.  They have some adjustment pains at first, mostly because William is scared to lose his father after island explosions and the death of his mother just prior to those explosions, as well as learning that his dad is the Green Arrow, but they manage to do alright on the whole.

3) Presuming that Felicity survives the explosion, are Ollicity back on, in their on/off again relationship?  The panel, particularly panelist Kristen, votes that the writers pick one of the two statuses and stick with it for these charismatic and chemically engaging lovers.

ANSWER: As a matter of fact, Ollie encourages spur of the moment nuptials – by upstaging Barry Allen and his now wife Iris from The Flash in what any reasonable person would have to admit is a bit of a dick move – and weds Felicity in the “Crisis on Earth X” crossover episode, the ninth of the season, immediately following Barry and Iris’ “I Do’s.”  So, Ollicity is officially married, but this fact does not mean that the two lovers have left all the drama behind.  Listen to the podcast episode for details.

4) Is Malcolm Merlyn truly dead?  Prior to the overall explosion of Lian Yu, Merlyn sacrifices himself by moving on to an old landmine in place of Thea (Holland), who triggers the mine during her rescue (after Prometheus and allies manage to kidnap Green Arrow’s entire posse and whisk them off to Lian Yu for the explosive season climax).  The show offers a scene in which we hear what is presumed to be the explosion of the landmine, but it occurs off screen, creating the possibility of a Merlyn who has once again escaped death.  If he does, will we learn how he did it?

ANSWER: So far, Merlyn is still presumed to be truly dead, as he does not appear in any of the Arrowverse shows this season.  Will he ever appear again, and will anyone explain how Merlyn might have escaped both a dormant land mine and an exploding island if he does?  The panel is at a loss to even predict any eventuality surrounding Merlyn at this point.

5) Is Deathstroke (Manu Bennett) back for good?  How will he affect Ollie/Green Arrow in future, now that he is presumably less psychopathic and Mirakuru-enhanced?

ANSWER: Deathstroke does not stick around, as DC parent company Warner Brothers pulled the rights to the character – again – at some point, either as a result of or in the wake of the Justice League movie.  Yet, Slade Wilson returns this season for the purpose of cashing in on his and Oliver’s shared history and of asking Ollie for his help in finding Slade’s son, Joe; unfortunately, Slade’s son was so affected by the loss of his father, he decides to become just like him.  Slade and Oliver confront a crime syndicate only to realize that Joe Wilson is the head of the outfit.  In addition, he moves, dresses, and acts much like a junior Deathstroke.  Joe reveals that he saw Slade commit murder long before he ingested Mirakuru, the drug that addled Slade’s brain and made him a villain in Season Two.  When Slade attempts to explain to his son that he was paid to take out the person in question, as he worked as a paid assassin at one point, Joe refuses to offer forgiveness, and the two fight until Oliver intervenes.  In addition, Joe informs Slade that Joe has a brother Grant, another son about which Slade never knew.  After Joe escapes, Slade leaves Oliver with the intent of finding both of his sons.  Slade also hopes that he can earn his sons’ forgiveness, though Slade does not leave Ollie without imparting a few words of wisdom to his old friend about Oliver’s relationship with his own son.

6) Will Dinah Drake (Juliana Harkavy), the new Black Canary, survive her stint in the leather jacket and black mask – she was one of the posse on the exploding island?  Black Canaries have a high mortality rate on this show.

ANSWER: Dinah aka Black Canary the Third lives to fight another season – a whole other season.  She’s still flying around Star City, in other words, much to most of the panel’s chagrin.

7) Will we see the al Ghul sisters and the League of Assassins again?  Will Talia become more interesting and more like her comics counterpart?

ANSWER: Talia has not returned, so we assume that she remains as boring and as wooden as ever.  On the other hand, Nyssa returns to Star City, seeking Thea, who Nyssa says is the heir to the Ra’s title, given her biological father, Malcolm Merlyn’s, presumed death.  The only problem is, the League of Assassins has all but become non-existent, though some of its former legion unite to create the Thanatos Guild, a new ninja outfit that believes that Malcolm left Thea a key, in the form of a mathematically sealed cubic puzzle, to unlocking great treasures.  The Guild’s belief comes to pass; Malcolm, it seems, stored away a map to several other Lazarus Pits that apparently exist, and Thea, upon learning this truth, decides to leave Star City to seek their locations and to possibly right some of the wrongs committed by her father.  Yet, Thea’s departure also coincides with the departure of her portraying actor, Holland, who decided not to renew her contract option for the next season of the show.  The panel, incidentally, overwhelmingly feels that Thea’s permanent departure from Arrow is long overdue.

8) Now that the flashbacks and Ollie’s past have caught up to the events beginning the series in the first season, will the series continue to employ flashbacks to tell Oliver’s story?  Or, will the portions seen by the viewing audience finally all be in the present?

ANSWERS: While occasional flashbacks continue to appear in Season Six, they are largely few and far between.  The show and its writing and producing team apparently elected not to pursue the flashback storytelling structure that guided the overall framework of the first five seasons of the show.  As such, most of the events in every episode in Season Six occur in the present/the actual real-time setting of the characters and not in the past.

9) Which villains will we see next season?  Who will be the season “Big Bad?”  Will any of Green Arrow’s traditional rogues return, including Count Vertigo, Clock King, etc. (panelist Kyle is very concerned)?

ANSWER: The Big Bads initially appear to be Cayden James, Ricardo “The Dragon” Diaz, Black Siren, and KGBeast/Anatoly.  The Dragon is an actual Green Arrow villain, though, as panelist Kyle confirms, the Dragon we see on the show is “Dragon” in name only and nothing like the Dragon character in the comics.  What’s more, the Dragon double crosses the others, or, at least, James, to become the overarching villain on the season, though this move, from the vantage point of the show’s writers, turns out to be less than successful, according to the reviews of our DCTU panelists.

10) Did Artemis survive the Lian Yu explosion – and will she see the error of her ways and join Green Arrow’s team in good faith, provided that Oliver is in a forgiving mood?

ANSWER: Okay – so there was one confirmed death.  Artemis definitely seems to be truly dead, ultimately resulting in yet another wasted Green Arrow character.  Though none of the panelists suggested that they miss her.  And, really, how many characters have actually stayed dead (other than the Queens’ parents)?

11) Provided that Thea also survives the explosion, and despite donning the red hood for the fifth mid-season crossover episodes, is she done being Speedy for good?

ANSWER: Thea dons the “Speedy” hood one more time in Season Six for the purpose of rescuing Roy Harper aka Arsenal from the clutches of the Dragon’s minions, who capture him in order to suss out Green Arrow’s whereabouts, and all in the name of love for her fugitive boyfriend.  Roy left at the end of Season Three after pretending to the public that he was the “Arrow,” an earlier incarnation of Ollie’s secret identity, and in light of the fact that his portraying actor, Colton Haynes, elected to pursue other projects.  Once Roy is successfully rescued by an impetuous Thea and her brother, even as Roy notes that she’s wearing his outfit, Thea appears to hang up the red hood for good just prior to her departure with Nyssa (Roy leaves with Thea in the moment, though).

12) Does Oliver remain Green Arrow as Season Six begins?  How does he juggle mayoral duties with vigilante duties without a team?  Does he recruit even more new team members?

ANSWER: Fortunately, the number of Team Arrow members fluctuates throughout Season Six but never grows in number beyond the core team of Oliver, Felicity, Dig (Ramsay), Rene Ramirez aka Wild Dog (Rick Gonzalez), Dinah, and Curtis Holt aka Mr. Terrific (Echo Kellum).  Also, though Ollie starts the season as Green Arrow, despite the ongoing suspicion of federal law enforcement officials that he is the Green Arrow, Oliver convinces then-fugitive Dig to don the green hood in order to deflect that suspicion, and so that Ollie can spend time balancing his duties as mayor as well as his new role as father to William.  This decision leads to some discord between the two longtime friends; Dig, who suffered degenerative nerve damage to his wrist in Season Five, becomes too used to being the Green Arrow or something and somehow uses his stint in the green spotlight as a sublimation and as compensation for frustrations about his own life.  When Dig slips up in the field because of his progressively worsening nerve damage, however, almost leading to injury of one of his teammates, Oliver takes back the Green Arrow mantle for the sake of practicality, leaving Dig to grow surprisingly resentful about Oliver’s return to vigilantism once Felicity and Curtis replicate the chip in Felicity’s back and implant this new cure into Dig’s wrist.  One of the leading sources of drama this season, in fact, is Oliver’s struggle to balance vigilante activities, mayoral duties, and being a stable parent to William, and this struggle leads to various other ramifications for Team Arrow, though whether or not the panel cares, in the end, about these ramifications is up for debate.  Listen to the podcast episode for details.

13) Please bring back the salmon ladder.  We are sure that Ollie is stressed out and needs to work on his upper body.  Shirtless.

ANSWER:  There was no salmon ladder at all in Season Six.  WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, TEAM ARROW?!  Producers, writers, Stephen!  You’ve gotta use what you got!  You’re on shaky ground (listen to the episode for panelist rants on the subject)!

14) What is Cayden James’ (Michael Emerson) end game on Arrow?

ANSWER: James seeks vengeance against Oliver because Cayden is led to believe that Oliver killed his son.  When Felicity and her hacker friend find evidence to show that Oliver was not in Star City at the time of his son’s murder, James decides instead to exact his revenge on the whole city by detonating a large bomb.  He does not get the chance, however, as Team Arrow successfully stops him.  While James is incarcerated, however, the Dragon gets the drop on him and, double crossing him, slits his throat.  Thus, Cayden’s game is ended in no way he planned.

15) For how long will Roy Harper/Arsenal (Colton Haynes) be back on Arrow, since his return to the show was announced in the media?

ANSWER: Roy Harper appears in 2 of 23 episodes in Season Six, when the Dragon’s men find him and torture him to get to Oliver and when Roy helps Thea realize her Thanatos Guild/League of Assassins destiny.  Yet, it was announced, again, in the media that Colton Haynes is returning to Arrow as a cast regular for Season Seven.  What can it all mean?  How will it happen?  That is one of the panel’s main questions going into the seventh season.

16) Did Warner Brothers/DC truly retract Arrow’s ability to use the character of Deathstroke again due to the Justice League film?  Is Manu Bennett gone indefinitely again?

ANSWER: The short answer to both questions is “yes.”  The panel universally agrees that corporate involvement in the Arrowverse has overwhelmingly adversely affected the universe’s four constituent series, particularly Arrow.

17) Will Oliver Queen/Green Arrow (Stephen Amell) end up having to stand trial for being the Green Arrow?

ANSWER: Yes, he stands trial, though master of disguise Christopher Chance (Wil Traval) appears during the hearing as Tommy Merlyn (Colin Donnell) and confesses that he is the Green Arrow, leading to an acquittal for Oliver, at least of the charges surrounding his vigilantism and, at least, briefly following the trial.  Listen to the podcast episode for details.

New Questions

1) The panel members, largely bereft of hope for improvement of the overall quality of Arrow, did not ruminate upon many questions going into Season Seven.  The biggest question on several panelists’ brains centers on why Roy Harper returns to Star City and how he reintegrates into the new team.

2) How will the show survive without Quentin Lance (Paul Blackthorne)?  Quentin (spoiler) dies at the end of the season after he takes a bullet for the team; his portraying actor left Arrow and joined the cast of a new show coming to NBC called The Inbetween. The panel reacted negatively to his departure, believing Mr. Blackthorne to be one of the most consistently engaging parts of the show throughout its lifespan, other than Oliver/Stephen Amell.

3) Oliver, in Iron Man fashion, announces to the Star City public in the season finale that he is the Green Arrow as part of a deal he makes with the FBI in order to guarantee the agency’s help in defeating the Dragon, in exchange for Ollie’s confession of illegal vigilante activity.  The last few moments of the finale find Ollie in federal prison.  Panelist Kyle has read that the first episodes of Season Seven will feature the “Longbow Hunters” and a widely panned story line from the comics called “Supermax.”  How long will the audience be forced to watch Oliver in prison?  What effect will these so-called “Hunters” present to Star City?

4) Will Dig take up the Green Arrow mantle once more while Oliver is in prison?

5) Will William follow the trajectory of Connor Hawke in the comics?  What is William’s purpose on the show, except to complicate Oliver’s life (and presuming he has a purpose)?

6) Will Black Siren return in Season Seven?  In what capacity?  Why would she care to do so if her almost family and almost father no longer exist?

7) Diaz survives his most recent encounter with Oliver and escapes; he even watches Oliver’s city-wide proclamation that he is the Green Arrow on television through gritted teeth.  It seems as though Diaz is tougher than the average crook, which is fueled by some precedent set by the comics-version of the Dragon.  Will Diaz return in Season Seven?  How will he affect Oliver and the rest of Team Arrow?  Will he somehow affiliate with the Longbow Hunters; will he make another attempt on Oliver’s life?  Or, is his character finished on Arrow?

8) Where does Anatoly go in the end?

9) Will we see more crossovers with the other Arrowverse properties – apart from mid-season – next season?

10) Will any of Green Arrow’s other traditional rogues return, including Count Vertigo, Clock King, etc. (panelist Kyle has all but lost hope)?


Our DCTU panel universally agrees that Arrow Season Six did not fare much better than Season Five in terms of storytelling quality.  The panelists opined that the season’s pacing and writing were choppy and disjointed, and many of the panelists describe Arrow and the obligation to watch it as a “slog.”  Though half of the panel saw potential in the four villains introduced this season, all panelists proved largely appalled that the Dragon a) as a routine mobster, proved to be such a challenge for Team Arrow, particularly Oliver, and b) outsmarted the other members of his alliance, the formation of which was never even slightly explained by any of the characters and/or dialogue, a huge oversight on the part of the show’s writers.  The panel continues to offer mixed reviews surrounding the Green Arrow’s sidekicks, with all panelists struggling to understand the purpose of each of them or why and how they continue to remain a team at all, what with all of the soap opera internal strife they seem to instigate. The panel members almost fully agree now, however, that Arrow continues to flounder and stumble, owing primarily to sloppy story mapping and despite the steady (and handsome) portrayal of the Green Arrow by Stephen Amell as well as the superb production values marking the Star City based quadrant of the multiverse.


The seventh season of Arrow is slated to premiere on Monday, October 15, 2018, at 8:00 PM on the CW.  CPU!’s next DCTU episode, which will focus on the fourth season of The Flashwill publish in the fall, closer to that series’ season premiere date.  Like, follow, and/or subscribe to the blog, iTunes, YouTube, Stitcher Radio, Google Play, or our social media accounts to stay abreast of new episodes in the DCTU podcast series as well as of new episodes for all of our podcast panels!  And, if you feel so inclined, please leave us a review.  Thank you!🙂

DC Television Universe, Episode Twelve, DC’s Legends of Tomorrow, Season Three, (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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A new podcast episode of Couch Potatoes Unite!, which is based on a blog of the same name hosted at In this episode, recorded in July 2018, our DC Television Universe or DCTU panel – including moderator Kylie, Hilary, Kyle, Spencer, Kristen, and Nick – reconvenes Around the Water Cooler for the twelfth episode of our DCTU ongoing series.  In this episode, the panel discusses Season 3 of the second Arrowverse spin-off, DC’s Legends of Tomorrow. If you have not watched any of Legends, be aware that there are MAJOR SPOILERS! Tell us what you think in the comments below and check out the blog and YouTube for other TV related discussions, in both podcast and blog format. Also, if there are other shows you’re interested in the blog covering, sound off below! Tell us what you like or don’t like. Keep the discussion going!

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PODCAST! – Around the Water Cooler: DC Television Universe Series, Episode 12, “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow” – Season Three, the DCTU Panel’s Review and Recap (MAJOR SPOILERS)


Moderated by: Chief Couch Potato Kylie


Who:  “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow” is a superhero/action-adventure drama centered on events and characters inspired by the DC Comic Universe, which airs on the CW.

What: “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow,” a series developed by Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, Andrew Kreisberg, and Phil Klemmer, which is based on characters from DC Comics. This series is considered a spin-off from Arrow and is part of the so-called “Arrowverse.”


As the series starts, when Vandal Savage murders Time Master Rip Hunter’s (Arthur Darvill) family, he goes rogue. Intending to stop Savage, Rip recruits a team consisting of Ray Palmer / The Atom (Brandon Routh); Sara Lance / White Canary (Caity Lotz); Martin Stein (Victor Garber) and Jefferson “Jax” Jackson (Franz Drameh), who together become the hero Firestorm; Kendra Saunders / Hawkgirl; Carter Hall / Hawkman; Leonard Snart / Captain Cold; and Mick Rory / Heat Wave (Dominic Purcell) to stop him. These so-called “legends” discover that the Time Masters are backing Savage in his domination of the world in 2166 in order to facilitate a successful repulsion of a Thanagarian invasion.  The adventures of the “Legends,” however, change each season, as do the members of the Legends themselves.

When: Season Three aired on the CW from October 10, 2017, to April 9, 2018, with a total of 18 episodes.

Where: The action is set in various locations throughout the DC Television Universe/Arrowverse and throughout time, as the heroes in this show travel through time and space in an attempt to stop villains who aim to alter significant events in the past, present, and future.

Why: To find out why individual podcast panelists started watching this show, listen to the first Legends of Tomorrow podcast episode via the link below!  It should be noted that CPU! Chief Couch Potato Kylie previously picked up this show during the 2015 Fall Preview, noting:

True, it’s yet another comic book property in an entertainment complex completely inundated and saturated with them – super heroes are what’s cool nowadays.  True, the premise involves digging through the annals of the DC Comic Book Universe to put forth some of the company’s less omnipresent characters (The Atom, Firestorm, Hawkgirl, to name a few).  Yet: it also has Victor Garber, Wentworth Miller, and freaking Rory Pond – Arthur Darvill himself!…DC is behind in the comic book race against Marvel, and the company knows it…[it’s a] must watch.  It’s fate or something.

How – as in How’s It Going? – THOUGHTS

This is the twelfth episode in CPU!’s DCTU series.  Here are only the prior DC’s Legends of Tomorrow episodes in the series (as we flush out seasons of all Arrowverse shows, though, older episodes will only be searchable via the website – click the upper right dialog box in the header). Listen to each episode here:

DCTU Series, Episode 4, “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow,” Season One

DCTU Series, Episode 7, “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow,” Season Two

DCTU Series, Episode 11, the DCTU Mid-Season Roundup, 2017
In our last episode, our cheeky and feisty DCTU panel – namely Kyle, Hilary, Spencer, Kristen, and Nick – met at mid-season “Around the Water Cooler” to discuss the progress of the four Arrowverse shows to date as well as to talk the awesome, amazingly jaw-dropping four show crossover event, “Crisis on Earth X.”  Now, we begin addressing the most recent full seasons of each of the four “Arrowverse” programs in order of the airing of each season finale, beginning with the third season of DC’s Legends of Tomorrow.  Thus, tonight’s episode features our spicy discussion of Legends’ junior season, in the twelfth episode of our DCTU series.  The discussion, however, is less spicy than normal – the long and short of this lack of heat is that this season proved to be a tremendous improvement over the first two, with a focused story thread; a complete and total embrace of the campy quality of storytelling in general, as the writers and producers seemed to realize that the show works better as “wacky adventures through time” coupled with an overarching story rather than merely one or the other; and new characters – or re-introductions of old ones – that were, in and of themselves, more compelling than some other characters that have appeared on the show and/or that have come and gone from the cast roster.  The panel, in fact, largely agrees that Legends improved so much, the show now ranks as the favorite or second favorite of the four Arrowverse shows for each panelist, when last season, opinions waffled widely, with some panelists still ranking the show their least favorite of the four.
This particular episode was recorded in July 2018, and there are, without question, MAJOR SPOILERS, as the panelists cover key plot points of Season Three of DC’s Legends of Tomorrow. Listen at your own risk, and let us know what you think by commenting below!
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Remember, new episodes and blog posts are published weekly!  Next Wednesday, our DCTU panel returns again to the proverbial Water Cooler to discuss Season 6 of Arrow, as our Arrowverse revisits continue.  Plus, this particular next episode will bring the much ballyhooed usual spice.  Stay tuned!

Questions, Impressions, and Future Considerations

Old Questions

1) It was announced that John Constantine (as played by Matt Ryan) will appear on Legends some time during Season 3.  In how many episodes will he appear, and what will be his purpose?  Will he be on the show for several episodes, as a recurring character?  Or, will he only appear once or twice as he did in Arrow?

ANSWER: John Constantine appears in four of the eighteen episodes released this season.  The character serves the purpose of warning Sara Lance (Lotz) and the rest of the Waverider team about the emerging presence of the demon Mallus (voiced by John Noble), who is being courted by Damien Darhrk (Neal McDonough) as a means by which to achieve ultimate power on Earth.  Constantine also attempts to help the Legends fight off Mallus with sorcery, though he is not ultimately successful.  Plus, he and Sara have themselves a bit of a romp when they find themselves stuck in 1969 after a child version of Nora Darhrk, possessed by Mallus, magically sends them there.  Constantine recurs for four episodes and was so successful and beloved in his four appearances that the show’s producers promoted Matt Ryan to a series regular for Season Four.  More Constantine = very happy DCTU panel!

2) It was also announced that Victor Garber will leave the show by the end of the season.  Will the character of Firestorm survive?  Will the show survive without Dr. Martin Stein, less Rip Hunter, and a nearly non-existent Captain Cold (Wentworth Miller)?

ANSWER: The character of Martin Stein, as played by Garber, does not survive the season.  Martin tries to separate himself and Jefferson “Jax” Jackson from the Firestorm matrix.  Unfortunately, his experiment goes awry, and he is gravely injured, though he is able to open a temporal portal gateway that takes several of the Arrowverse heroes to Earth X, an Earth where Nazis won World War II and control the world, and where many of our heroes encounter evil doppelganger versions of themselves.  Though Jax bonds with Martin in order to help him through the portal, Martin’s injuries are so severe that they also affect Jax.  In the end, Martin makes the ultimate sacrifice in order to save Jax: he separates himself from Jax, severs their link, and dies.

Subsequently, Jax, without a super-powered partner with a nuclear core matrix with which to bond, leaves Legends of Tomorrow at the end of the mid-season finale, though he makes a special appearance in the season finale and shares with his pals that five years have passed since he last saw the Legends, during which he fell in love, got married, and had a child of his own.  As for whether the show can survive without Martin Stein, less Rip Hunter, and nearly without Captain Cold, Victor Garber, Arthur Darvill, and Wentworth Miller have all officially departed Legends of Tomorrow and the Arrowverse as a whole as of the end of this season.  Garber returned to Broadway, Miller is taking a hiatus from performing, and Darvill is seeking/committed to other projects. The true test of whether the show can survive without these three performers and the characters they portray will be the fourth season, when none of them are expected to appear at any point.  Let’s see how it all fares.

3) If Amaya/Vixen (Maisie Richardson-Sellers) and Nate/Steel (Nick Zano) continue their love affair, does this mean that Nate is somehow grandfather to Amaya’s granddaughter, Mari/the new Vixen?

ANSWER: So far, the answer is no, though Amaya interferes with her timeline quite significantly by the end of Season Three.  In fact, in order to save the soul of her other granddaughter, Kuasa, who was resurrected by Damien Darhrk, Amaya chooses to return to Zambesi in the nineties by the season’s end to help her older self beat back the tribes that ultimately murder Mari and Kuasa’s mother.  She successfully does this and discovers that the older version of Amaya that she encounters apparently left the Legends and Nate and used the memory eraser device on herself, so that she would forget Nate.  At the end of the season, Amaya opts to remain in Zambesi and to return to her life, but Maisie Richardson-Sellers is expected to return in Season Four.  Does Amaya’s interference in her own history cause any ripple effects?  Is it the same Amaya that returns to the Waverider? If so, what if she carries on with Nate and becomes pregnant?  Time (ahem) will tell here, we expect.

4) Arthur Darvill is being converted to a “recurring” cast member and will not be part of the regular cast as he was for the first two seasons.  How much Rip will we see, and how will his new band of Time Masters, which he suggested in the second season finale that he planned to rebuild, interact with the Legends and the broken universe?

ANSWER: Rip appears in six of the eighteen released episodes this season.  Rip creates a so-called Time Bureau, which includes Time Agents, bureaucrats who not only repair the broken universe within five minutes in the season premiere but also dog the Legends for some time due to the fact that their Season Two antics cause continued anachronisms and broken time events throughout the universe that they have to repair.  Of course, the Legends insist on fixing their own mistakes, but the Legends have a habit of making things worse, so the Time Bureau bans them from engaging in anachronism fixing, though Sara, still the captain and stubborn as ever, does not listen to them.  One of the agents, Ava Sharpe, becomes particularly involved, not only with the attempting to hold back the Legends as a group but, specifically, with Sara.  Ahem, interactions, you see.  In addition, Rip is apprehended by his own Time Bureau for helping the Legends against Time Bureau directives; he escapes from the Bureau and stays away until Gorilla Grodd murders the Time Bureau Director, who ordered Rip’s imprisonment to begin with, rendering senior agent Ava in charge and allowing Rip to return to work. 

5) Will we see any of the Legion of Doom again (Reverse Flash, as played by Matt Letscher; Malcolm Merlyn, as played by John Barrowman; Damien Darhrk, as played by Neal McDonough; and Captain Cold)?

ANSWER: Reverse Flash is presumed dead.  Malcolm Merlyn is presumed dead.  Damien Darhrk functions as the primary villain this season, except when he summons the demon Mallus, which represents a more powerful threat.  Captain Cold from Earth Prime does not return, but we meet a friendlier, gay version of “Leo” Snart on Earth X, who uses a freeze gun but does not go by the moniker “Captain Cold.” Leo visits both the Legends and Team Flash on Earth Prime, after they help him and fellow members of the Resistance quell the Crisis on Earth X and before his and his portraying actor’s final departure from the Arrowverse.

6) Will Mick/Heat Wave (Dominic Purcell) ever get to Aruba?

ANSWER: Mick happily starts the season in Aruba until Julius Caesar anachronistically interrupts his paradise.  Mick also ends the season in Aruba, grumpily, as he is accompanied by the other Legends, much to his chagrin.

7) Did the Legends encountering their past selves in the World War I era cause the aberrations and altered Earth they find in 2016?  Or, is this extremely altered timeline a product of all of their “Legend”-ary exploits?  How will they fix it?

ANSWER: The short answer is “yes.”  To both questions.  And the Legends do not fix the dramatically altered version of Earth that the Legends returned to in the second season finale. The Time Bureau accomplishes this feat quickly in the third season premiere.

8) Will Jonah Hex become a regular character, as is rumored?

ANSWER: Jonah Hex has not yet become a regular character, though he does appear in the third season finale.

9) Who is the new character being introduced – and is this person supposed to be another “Legend?”

ANSWER: The new character is Zari Tomaz, played by Tala Ashe.  She is a “hacktivist,” discovered by the Legends in the year 2042; she sticks around because she possesses a totem.  In fact, she bears the Wind totem and is supposed to be analogous to the DC Comics character Isis, though she does not yet appear to be going by that name – if she ever will, given the unfortunate use of the name in the real world.  She has now officially become one of the Legends as of the end of the third season.

10) Considering how “Flashpoint” was handled on The Flash last season, how much of the altered timeline will affect the other shows?  Will we see spillover into Arrow/Flash (I tend to give Supergirl a pass because she’s on Earth 23)?

ANSWER: The altered timeline imposes zero effect on the events, characters, or settings of any of the other three Arrowverse shows.

11) How much of Season 3 will involve the Legends restoring the timeline?

ANSWER: The timeline is primarily restored by the Time Bureau in the season premiere, though the Legends continue to track isolated anachronisms throughout much of the first half of the season.

12) For how long will John Constantine (Matt Ryan) be on DC’s Legends of Tomorrow?

ANSWER: As above, four episodes in Season Three, and he will become a series regular character in Season Four.

13) The media spoiled the intention to have Wally West/Kid Flash (Keiynan Lonsdale) join “Legends,” at least temporarily, in the near future.  For how long?  What will be his purpose?

ANSWER: Wally West aka Kid Flash appears in eight of the eighteen released episodes of Season Three.  Rip tracks Wally down in China, where he is trying to heal from his breakup with Jessie Quick on The Flash.  Rip wants Wally to help him track down and to neutralize a Time Agent, so that Rip can retrieve his signature trench coat back from this pilfering bloke.  As a result, and after a drunken night of karaoke, Wally decides to join the Legends; however, at the end of the season, Lonsdale announced that he is not returning to the Arrowverse and is, in fact, likely retiring from acting altogether.  Thus, Wally West appears to no longer be a part of the Arrowverse, at least in the character’s most recent state.

14) Why are the “Legends” writers exploring the Vixen (Maisie Richardson-Sellers) story line on “Legends,” in the way they are exploring it, when the animated version seems to parallel the live-action version, only with Amaya’s granddaughter Mari at the fore?

ANSWER: As Season Three revolves particularly around elemental totems, one of which Amaya (and later Mari) possesses, as well as the back story and importance of such totems, the bulk of Season Three seems to present a compelling reason for including two separate Vixens in the universe.  Listen to the podcast episode for details.

15) Will the baby Dominator that young Ray Palmer/The Atom (Brandon Routh) met as a child reappear as an adult and encounter adult Ray/the Legends again?

ANSWER: Not so far.  The Baby Dominator might return in future seasons, but he only appears once in Season Three.

16) What is Damien Darhrk (Neal McDonough) trying to do on “Legends?”  How is he related to Mallus, the demonic presence?

ANSWER: Per usual, Damien is trying to attain ultimate power.  In order to do so, he summons the demon Mallus, an all-powerful evil presence, but cannot bring him forth into this plane of existence without a sacrificial host body, which, for Damien, turns out to be his daughter Nora.  This is a decision he comes to regret.  Listen to the podcast episode for details.

17) Will Constantine and Darhrk have to square off?  Will Zari (Tala Ashe) and Amaya have to square off against Mallus?

ANSWER: Constantine and Damien do not battle magically in Season Three, though the potential still exists for future seasons, depending upon Damien’s fate as of the Season Three finale.  Zari and Amaya do battle Mallus but not alone; the Legends obtain other totems (Earth, Fire, Water, Death) and become totem bearers themselves.  Combined, Zari, Amaya, Nate, Sara, Mick, and Wally face off against Mallus in a most unusual way and form.  Listen to the podcast episode for details.

18) What did the Time Bureau do with Rip?

ANSWER: The Bureau imprisons him for awhile, but he escapes.

New Questions

1) With Constantine joining the Legends and announcing to the other characters that allowing Mallus to break through the magical plane imprisoning him weakened the barrier holding back other magical creatures, what kinds of other creatures will we see?  Will there be some Hellblazer meets the Legends of Tomorrow?  Are there really going to be unicorns and other mythical creatures, as panelists Kyle and the media have teased?  What sorts of situations will the Legends face?

2) What circumstances bring Amaya back to the Waverider?  Alternatively, is it really Amaya who returns…?

3) Is Rip Hunter really and truly dead?  In, like, the permanent sense?

4) Is Damien Darhrk truly dead, since he was possessed by Mallus, who was defeated by the Legends in the season finale?

5) Ray Palmer (Routh) gives Nora Darhrk her father’s time stone with the intention of enabling her to escape from Time Bureau incarceration.  Courtney Ford, Routh’s real life wife and the actress behind Nora, has been promoted to series regular for Season Four.  How will Nora reappear next season?  Since the two characters seemed to have some chemistry, owing to their real life marriage, will there be romance for Ray in the future?

6) There additionally seemed to be some flirtatious sparks between Zari and Jonah Hex.  Will we see more of Jonah in service to this budding flirtation?  Is there any chance, still or at all, of him becoming a regular character, next season or otherwise?

7) What other DC characters will visit this show next season?

8) An actress named Ramona Young will be portraying “Alaska Yu,” who does not seem to have a clear DC counterpart, in Season Four.  What clues will the show reveal about this new character?


Our DCTU panel nearly unanimously reinstates previously withdrawn recommendations for DC’s Legends of Tomorrow and overwhelmingly designates Season Three to be the best of all of the Legends seasons to date. In fact, some panelists no longer think that a potential viewer needs to be a comic book fan, DC or otherwise, to enjoy the show, nor would such a viewer need to appreciate Doctor Who, as the show has consciously moved away from the obvious parallels to the latter, particularly with the elimination of the Rip Hunter character in Season Three.  The panelists additionally believe that the writers and producers have finally reached a suave and entertaining balance between “campy adventure of the week” and solid, season-long story around which the characters can compellingly unify while consciously embracing those aspects of the story that, though silly, set Legends apart from the other shows in the Arrowverse.  To that end, Legends has become the favorite of the four shows for half of the panel, which results in some worry as to whether or not the writers can now maintain this excellent pace and level of quality.  Still, with the return of panel favorite Matt Ryan/John Constantine as a series regular, the promotion of Jes Macallan (Ava) to series regular, and the fresh story thread introduced with each new season, all panelists have become both hopeful and excited for what Season Four may bring, even as the panelists almost expected, if not wished for, cancellation following the second season – which is quite the turnaround indeed.


The fourth season of DC’s Legends of Tomorrow is slated to premiere on Monday, October 22, 2018, at 9:00 PM on the CW.  CPU!’s next DCTU episode, which will focus on the sixth season of Arrowwill go to publication next week.  Like, follow, and/or subscribe to the blog, iTunes, YouTube, Stitcher Radio, Google Play, or our social media accounts to stay abreast of new episodes in the DCTU podcast series as well as of new episodes for all of our podcast panels!  And, if you feel so inclined, please leave us a review.  Thank you!🙂

Progress Report: Fall TV Preview and Selection for 2018-2019 Shows (2018)

At this point, the primary TV viewing season is over, the summer viewing season in all its limited glory is in full swing, and the calendar has struck the month of August…which means less than a month until the fall TV season begins again!  Thus, it’s time to shop for new pilots! Since up-fronts were held in May, new TV offerings by networks and some cable outlets (as well as streaming networks) have been announced. It’s time to examine them closely and choose which will be added to the extremely extended lineup covered by this blog!

Thanks to TVLine for helping a girl out.

*Note: with the expansion of CPU!, these initial thoughts are based upon the CPU! Chief’s assessments.  As with previous seasons, a growing number of CPU! members may find shows initially passed by the CPU! Chief and choose to review them.  CPU! readers will be informed if the show’s status changes regarding coverage as the season progresses through the handy CPU! Progress Reports, and all written reviews will be published!

A Million Little Things



WHEN: Wednesdays at 10/9c

WHO: James Roday (Psych), David Giuntoli (Grimm), Romany Malco (Weeds), Ron Livingston (Sex and the City), Christina Moses (The Originals), Christina Ochoa (Valor, Blood Drive), Allison Miller (Incorporated, Go On), Stephanie Szostak (Satisfaction), Lizzy Greene (Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn), Grace Park (Hawaii Five-0)

WHAT: They say friendship isn’t one big thing, it’s a million little things; and that’s true for a group of friends from Boston who bonded under unexpected circumstances. Some have achieved success, others are struggling in their careers and relationships, but all of them feel stuck in life. After one of them dies unexpectedly, it’s just the wake-up call the others need to finally start living. Along the way they discover that friends may be the one thing to save them from themselves.

Trailer available at ABC’s YouTube Channel.



VERDICT: Pick Up.  Welcome to the 2018-2019 CPU! network pilot review!  We start off on a strong note, with a pick up for this drama from ABC, but also with a guilty admission by your Chief CP (author of these annual reviews).  Honestly, I’m personally most interested in David Giuntoli and everything about him – outside of a Grimm context, that is – more than I am interested in the basic premise of this plot.  I think this is the Alphabet’s attempt at an answer to ratings juggernaut and NBC success This Is Us; on the other hand, the cast seems strong.  Watching these two minutes also inspires some The Big Chill nostalgia with a modern, Millennial set of characters at the forefront, dealing with the evolution and metamorphosis of friendships into adulthood.  That idea, punctuated by the suicide that starts the series off, connects strongly with this viewer, and I can see some of our other Couch Potatoes also finding some interest in and connection to it.  The trailer left me feeling hopeful for the series, at any rate, so let’s give this one a try, our first pick up for the year.  Hooray for good signs and strong starts!




WHEN: Midseason

WHO: Natalie Morales (Parks and Recreation), Neil Flynn (The Middle), Nelson Franklin (Veep), Jessica Chaffin (Search Party), Leonard Ouzts (Master of None), Kimia Behpoornia (Modern Family, Adam Ruins Everything)

WHAT: Set in the best bar in San Diego, home to good prices, great company and, of course, Abby. This unlicensed, makeshift bar nestled in her backyard is the opposite of everything annoying about today’s party scene. As the oddball cast of regulars will tell you, hanging out at Abby’s is a coveted honor. But once you’re in, you’re family.



VERDICT: Hesitantly Pick Up.  Without a trailer, this viewer is reluctant to get enthusiastically on board, but two things convinced me to take a look: it’s produced by Michael Schur – creator of The Good Place and Mose Schrute on The Office – and it’s filmed entirely outside.  Though it feels very Cheers-esque, with a female barkeep knowing everyone’s name, early upfront reviews seemed hopeful, so it’s worth a look.  A quick one, anyway.

The Alec Baldwin Show\



WHEN: Sundays at 10/9c

WHAT: The one-hour talker will showcase Baldwin’s in-depth conversations with compelling personalities.



VERDICT: Pass.  The CPU! podcast does not talk about talk shows.  How do you feel about Alec Baldwin at the helm of a prime time talk show?

All American



WHEN: Wednesdays at 9/8c

WHO: Daniel Ezra (The Missing), Taye Diggs (Private Practice), Cody Christian (Teen Wolf), Samantha Logan (13 Reasons Why), Monet Mazur (Castle), Karimah Westbrook (Shameless, Aquarius), Michael Evans Behling

WHAT: When a rising high school football player from South L.A. is recruited to play for Beverly Hills High, the wins, losses and struggles of two families from vastly different worlds — Crenshaw and Beverly Hills — begin to collide. Inspired by the life of pro football player Spencer Paysinger.

Trailer available at the CW’s YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Pass.  Despite the presence of always gorgeous Taye Diggs, this sports-ball drama feels incredibly trope-y, including hashed and rehashed concepts of several TV and film properties past: poor, urban kid of color finding himself in a rich, largely white district; the story about a kid who has nothing but talent, heart, and a bit of luck with the offer to test his prowess on a suburban high school football team; and so on.  The trailer does not “wow” in its presentation of these recycled story concepts, and none of the actors apart from Diggs inspire confidence that this property will offer stellar production value beyond the typical good looks of a made-for-the-CW cast.  Plus, our current roster of Couch Potatoes has currently and definitely shied away from TV about sports.  Seriously, way more nerd types and way less jock types populate our own ever-growing cast.  If you want to change that, though, please drop us a line.




WHEN: Sundays at 9/8c

WHO: Sarah Jeffery (Shades of Blue), Melonie Diaz (The Breaks), Madeleine Mantock (The Tomorrow People), Rupert Evans (Man in the High Castle), Ser’Darius Blain (Survivor’s Remorse, Jane by Design), Charlie Gillespie (Degrassi: Next Class), Ellen Tamaki

WHAT: After the tragic death of their mother, three sisters in a college town are stunned to discover they are witches. Soon this powerful threesome must stand together to fight the everyday and supernatural battles that all modern witches must face: from vanquishing powerful demons to toppling the patriarchy.

Trailer available at the CW’s YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Very Hesitantly Pick Up.  Networks: “What do we want?” Answering themselves: “More reboots!” “When do we want them?” “Now! Because we literally have no other ideas!”  Charmed, the original starring Shannen Doherty, Holly Marie Combs, Alyssa Milano, and later Rose McGowan, was a WB staple for eight seasons, now airs frequently in syndication, and enjoys a healthy streaming afterlife.  Charmed has already been requested as a possible “Looking Back” candidate for the podcast because its loyal fan base endures to this day.  Charmed was a show that this viewer watched voraciously and enthusiastically in its original run.  It was a bit cheesy at times and occasionally suffered from the mismatch of acting talent among the women playing the Halliwell/Matthews sisters, but it was reliable, interesting, and sort of kooky in an entertaining way for a long time.  Like all the other major networks and some streaming outlets, WB offspring The CW could not wait to look into past properties for its own go at a rebooted show from an earlier success, so here, we have Charmed Redux with a new set of sisters exercising a new era of The Power of Three.  I can’t help feeling that this reboot is near blasphemy at its core, given that the original was pretty well loved and still enjoys a loyal, continuing fan devotion.  Plus, the actresses playing the sisters are nowhere near equal to the four who played the Halliwells/Matthews, even if the original four could not be described as amazing performers themselves.  This reboot also seems to be an even darker take, with mom’s death being characterized as outright murder from the jump.  Still, sheer morbid curiosity, a love of fantasy (and supernatural fantasy to boot), and a “can’t look away” feeling propel me to say that CPU! has little choice but to pick this up.  Though you better bet that this will be a “Look Back to Look Forward” setup, and that the two versions of the series will be hotly compared and contrasted by feisty and spicy Couch Potatoes.  Mark my words, gentle reader: the Power of Three may not set you free.

The Code



VERDICT: Pass.  There is no trailer, and there is scant information available for this drama, which, mind you, is a military drama and a seeming holdover from the rash of military dramas that debuted last season on the networks, most of which were ultimately canceled.  Plus, Mira Sorvino was attached to this program as its lead for awhile before leaving the role, which is not typically a great sign, and there is very little to be excited about when reviewing the cast list or plot synopsis, so we’ll leave this code non-cracked this season.

The Conners



WHEN: Tuesdays at 8/7c

WHO: John Goodman, Laurie Metcalf, Sara Gilbert, Lecy Goranson, Michael Fishman

WHAT: In the Roseanne spinoff, the Conners are forced to face the daily struggles of life in Lanford in a way they never have before after a sudden turn of events. The iconic family — Dan, Jackie, Darlene, Becky and D.J. — grapples with parenthood, dating, an unexpected pregnancy, financial pressures, aging and in-laws in working-class America. Through it all, the fights, the coupon cutting, the hand-me-downs, the breakdowns — with love, humor and perseverance, the family prevails.



VERDICT: Very Hesitantly Pick Up. Last season, CPU! picked up the Roseanne revival based on the fact that several of our Couch Potatoes, the Chief among them, enjoyed the original series, more or less, and were curious to see how this particular family would weather the reboot/revival treatment.  Though many of us have not yet watched, the ratings seemed to speak for themselves – but then so did Roseanne Barr via her Twitter account.  All politics aside, Roseanne has always been an “x” factor, erratic and sometimes harmful to the public in how she has chosen to wield her influence, but no one can deny that Roseanne would not have been what it was without her.  Now, in a move that sounds, smells, and tastes a bit like “cash grab,” notwithstanding the advocacy for the jobs of those that would otherwise not have had them without Roseanne’s poor life choices (and prejudicial views) mucking up the works, the Alphabet is moving forward with what would ultimately be a spin-off, sans the titular matriarch.  On the one hand, it could be compelling: the rest of the cast are no slouches, especially Laurie Metcalf, and the character of Darlene, particularly, has always served as an interesting focal point for the show.  On the other hand, if the writers don’t hit this one out of the park straight from the dugout, it will not survive all of this melee and ado and will become a truly unfortunate, if not tragic footnote in entertainment history.  The real question is: would this footnote be any more unfortunate or tragic than the original ending, including Dan’s purported death following the family winning the lottery?  CPU! is willing to bet probably not, and we believe the network sees this whole game playing out the same way, so, in the end, we’re left asking “why not?”  Again, it could also be sheer morbid curiosity.  Time, and the rest of the Conners, will tell.

The Cool Kids




WHEN: Tuesdays at 9/8c

WHO: Missy Peregrym (Rookie Blue), Jeremy Sisto (Law & Order), Zeeko Zaki (Valor, 24: Legacy), Ebonée Noel (Still Star-Crossed), Sela Ward (CSI: NY)

WHAT: The Dick Wolf-produced drama explores the inner workings of the New York office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Trailer available at CBS’ YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Pass.  Despite a decently packaged trailer and a potentially unusual and compelling turn by Missy Peregrym in the lead role, if Dick Wolf has his stamp on this, it will likely be a crime-of-the-week, neatly wrapped up in an episode (or two) procedural show, this time exploring the inner workings of one of the federal law enforcement agencies.  We are not covering procedural TV (much) here at CPU!, and when we do, we’ll have to recruit a reviewer or moderator to do it because this Chief CP likely won’t be watching, at least not without an interesting gimmick to make it seem different from others of its genre.  I can’t imagine this to be something entirely different than Law & Order and its franchise of shows, even if this series is, also, not entirely the same.  CPU! will pass for now.

The Fix



WHEN: Midseason

WHO: Robin Tunney (The Mentalist), Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Ten Days in the Valley, Lost), Mouzam Makkar (The Exorcist), Breckin Meyer (Franklin & Bash), Merrin Dungey (Big Little Lies, The Resident), Scott Cohen (Gilmore Girls), Marc Blucas (Underground, Buffy the Vampire Slayer), Adam Rayner (Tyrant), Alex Saxon (The Fosters)

WHAT: Follows an L.A. district attorney who suffers a devastating defeat when prosecuting an A-list actor for double murder. With her high-profile career derailed, she flees for a quieter life in Washington. Eight years later when this same celebrity is under suspicion for another murder, Maya Travis is lured back to the DA’s office for another chance at justice.

Trailer available at ABC’s YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Pass.  Though this cast is teeming with familiar faces from large and small screen (was that Robin Givens in the trailer?), this show seems (un)remarkably like a romanticized version of the O.J. Simpson criminal trial given a fantasy makeover, wherein the put-upon district attorney who failed her job the first time gets a second chance to re-try the case, with a different fact pattern in which to dig her bared teeth.  Since the executive producer is Marcia Clark, one of the DA’s who lost the criminal trial of the disgraced ex-NFL star and, therefore, probably felt like she failed at life for many decades to come, the premise of this show, still more, smacks of the playing out of her own revenge fantasy, one in which she can finally take down the elusive defendant who broke her career and her spirit.  OJ was probably guilty, but hey, I guess the glove didn’t fit or something.  I lived through the debacle that was that trial, when it created and fueled the news glut we still enjoy today (without so much internet) and which divided the nation again/still by race and by class.  While the trial itself inspired a critical examination of the judicial system, I, frankly, do not need to live through a fantasized version of the same story, this time delving into an “It’s a Wonderful Life” concept of do-overs to redeem the poor, put-upon, plucky, but intelligent DA who couldn’t get her conviction in the end.  I also worry that the character played by the erstwhile Mr. Eko from Lost could become a caricature quickly if not handled properly and with sympathy, given the obvious parallel to real life that he presents.  All in all, suspension of disbelief would certainly be difficult for this particular potato’s personal palate, but if you watch and disagree, let us know.  My curiosity simply isn’t morbid enough to need this fix.

God Friended Me


PREMIERE DATE: Sept. 30 (at 8:30/7:30c)

WHEN: Sundays at 8/7c (beginning Oct. 7)

WHO: Brandon Micheal Hall (The Mayor), Joe Morton (Scandal), Violett Beane (The Flash), Javicia Leslie (MacGyver), Suraj Sharma (Homeland)

WHAT: Questions of faith, existence and science are explored in this dramedy about an outspoken atheist whose life is turned upside down when he is “friended” by God on social media. Unwittingly, he becomes an agent of change in the lives and destinies of others around him.

Trailer available at CBS’ YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Pick Up.  Now, maybe I’m feeling really vulnerable right now, but I teared up at the trailer, which means this one got to me in 3-4 minutes, and that’s not something to sneeze at when doing the quick math here.  Properties with pure religious motifs have not fared well on prime time network television in recent years, but perhaps what makes this one a bit different is that the show will attempt to explore the tough but meaningful subject of faith and the spiritual through more of a focused dialogue, beginning with the main character who runs a podcast about atheism.  Adding in the social media spin for today’s modern audiences, this premise teases something potentially fresh and original without becoming too preachy.  In fact, the show may become the kind of feel-good comedy – and discussion of hope – that today’s audiences crave in these testy times of geopolitical conflict.  Plus, I found the main characters to be largely winning – one of them is the sometime Jessie Quick from CPU! fave The Flash – so, all in all, it feels like this program deserves a leap of faith.  Friend request accepted.

Grand Hotel



WHEN: Midseason

WHO: Roselyn Sanchez (Devious Maids), Demian Bichir (The Bridge), Chris Warren (The Fosters), Wendy Raquel Robinson (The Game), Shalim Ortiz (Heroes), Denyse Tontz (The Fosters), Bryan Craig (General Hospital), Lincoln Younes (Home and Away), Justina Adorno (Seven Seconds), Anne Winters (13 Reasons Why), Feliz Ramirez

WHAT: Set in the last family-owned hotel in multicultural Miami Beach. Charismatic Santiago Mendoza owns the hotel, while his glamorous second wife, Gigi, and their adult children enjoy the spoils of success. Wealthy and beautiful guests bask in luxury, but scandals, escalating debt and explosive secrets hide beneath the picture-perfect exterior.

Trailer available at ABC’s YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Pass.  Produced by former Desperate Housewife Eva Longoria, this new sudsy soap screams telenovela for the now, with sex, sex, sex oozing from its Miami infused pores, a regular scandal (no, not that Scandal) in the making for the Disney-owned Alphabet network.  This will probably be a guilty, or not so guilty, pleasure for quite a few viewers, with an attractive cast, a colorful backdrop, and shocking secrets regularly revealed to appalled but enthralled gasps, but unless requested otherwise, CPU! will back away slowly, since soaps we cover are few and far between.  We will instead remember that the real Grand Hotel is on Mackinac Island in Michigan.  Granted, the clientele is probably very different all around.  All jokes aside, though, this show honestly has potential for success but is not the typical fare that appeals to too many of the CPU! Couch Potatoes.  Maybe they will surprise me, though.  You can request our coverage too, though, viewer – and did you know that you, too, could become one of our panelists?  Sign our guestbook to inquire as to how.

Happy Together



WHEN: Mondays at 8:30/7:30c

WHO: Damon Wayans Jr. (New Girl, Happy Endings), Amber Stevens West (Ghosted, The Carmichael Show), Felix Mallard (Neighbours), Stephnie Weir (Crazy Ex-Girlfriend), Chris Parnell (Grown-ish, SNL), Victor Williams (The King of Queens)

WHAT: A 30-something couple, tired of their mundane life, start to reconnect with their younger, cooler selves when a young pop star who is drawn to their super normal suburban life, moves in.

Trailer available at CBS’ YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Pass.  Canned laughter.  Pauses for the canned laughter.  Pregnant pauses.  Dozing.  That last one was me; I’m the one dozing.  This new sitcom seems like a one-note joke that cannot possibly sustain over 22 episodes, much less several additional seasons, and will probably get old in one.  It’s clear that this new program wants to rely on Damon Wayans, Jr.’s considerable charm and comedic timing, but he simply doesn’t have THAT much charm and comedic timing to overcome the ham and cheese on rye flavoring this bland soupy sauce of a sitcom is serving up.  Sure, we all want to be young and hip again, but how tired is the “we’re boring, so this cool rock star will make us cool too” trope?  I did not laugh once watching the trailer, and with such a recycled and rehashed premise, I don’t see anyone at CPU! (or beyond) requesting our in-depth discussion about this show.  Look, Damon’s dad had to try a few times to get a sitcom that lasted too.  Genetics or something, right?

I Feel Bad



WHEN: Thursdays at 9:30/8:30c

WHO: Sarayu Blue (No Tomorrow), Paul Adelstein (Private Practice), Zach Cherry (Crashing, Search Party), James Buckley (The Inbetweeners), Johnny Pemberton (Superstore), Aisling Bea

WHAT: Emet is a mom, boss, wife, friend and daughter who is just figuring it out like the rest of us. Sure, she feels bad when she has a sexy dream about someone other than her husband, or when she pretends not to know her kids when they misbehave in public, or when she uses her staff to help solve personal problems. But that’s OK, right? Nobody can have it all and do it perfectly.

Trailer available at NBC’s YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Pick Up.  First, the executive producer is Amy Poehler.  Win.  Second, sure the situations in this comedy probably have been done (and done, and done) elsewhere, but how many times have they been done honestly, with the kind of in-your-face humor that resonates?  Also win.  The Peacock has really made a comeback recently, at least in the comedy department, by choosing smart comedies with familiar premises but fresh elements developing those premises to something better than they might otherwise be.  Sarayu Blue and Paul Adelstein have clear chemistry; her parents will no doubt be the comic underdogs; and the social commentary will be relevant and up to date, unlike the last sitcom we reviewed in this pilot entry.  Perhaps, this “pick up” is somewhat inspired by a trailer that made me laugh, as opposed to the one that just failed at that basic task, but isn’t that what a sitcom should be – a show that makes the viewer laugh?  It’s worth a look, at least, because I can tell that this show already has a better chance of sustaining beyond one season than most in its genre.

In the Dark



WHEN: Midseason

WHO: Perry Mattfeld (Shameless), Rich Sommer (Mad Men), Kathleen York (The Client List, The West Wing), Derek Webster (NCIS: New Orleans), Brooke Markham (Foursome), Keston John (My Kitchen Rules)

WHAT: A blind woman is the only “witness” to the murder of her drug-dealing friend. After the police dismiss her story, she sets out with her dog, Pretzel, to find the killer while also managing her colorful dating life and the job she hates at the guide dog school owned by her overprotective parents.



VERDICT: Pass.  The trailer was apparently only screened at up-fronts, but this not-so-connected viewer needs a trailer to make an unbiased assessment of this show.  Without one, and given the above premise description, it sounds like a schmaltzy hodgepodge of lovable dog, inspiring tale of rising to meet the challenges of adversity, and murder-mystery procedural rolled into a saccharine goo.  Plus, there is no one in the cast that offers a draw, and it’s on the CW, which struggles outside of the fantasy/science fiction genre sometimes.  If buzz, accolades, or steam say this dark show is full of unexpected light, we might reconsider, but right now, this viewer offers a solid “meh,” and we unitedly move on.

The InBetwen



WHEN: Midseason

WHO: Harriet Dyer (Australia’s Love Child), Paul Blackthorne (Arrow), Anne-Marie Johnson (In the Heat of the Night), Cindy Luna (The Last Ship), Chad James Buchanan (Star)

WHAT: Cassie Bishop can see and communicate with the dead, helping them with their unresolved problems, whether she likes it or not. When her longtime friend Det. Tom Hackett and his new partner, former FBI Agent Damien Asante, need help solving a darkly puzzling murder, Cassie agrees to use her abilities. Despite her reluctance, she may have found a way to keep her demons at bay, all while solving some of the city’s most challenging cases.



VERDICT: Pick Up.  This new drama sounds like a cross between The Sixth Sense and garden variety procedural crime/murder mystery television, but new fantasy appears to be rather limited this season, and that’s what the CP’s live for around here (this Chief CP does, anyway).  Plus, Paul Blackthorne left CPU! covered Arrow to come be on this show, so we’ll give it a chance.  If the bend is more procedural than serial drama, though, we might lose interest, but we’ll see how this one shakes out in the end.

The Kids Are Alright



WHEN: Tuesdays at 8:30/7:30c

WHO: Michael Cudlitz (The Walking Dead), Mary McCormack (In Plain Sight), Caleb Foote (American Crime Story: The Assassination of Giani Versace), Christopher Paul Richards (Me, Myself & I), Jack Gore (Electric Dreams), Sawyer Barth (Public Morals), Sam Straley, Andy Walken, Santino Barnard

WHAT: Set in the 1970s, the ensemble comedy follows a traditional Irish-Catholic family as they navigate big and small changes during one of America’s most turbulent decades. In a working-class neighborhood outside Los Angeles, Mike and Peggy raise eight boisterous boys who live out their days with little supervision. The household is turned upside down when oldest son Lawrence returns home and announces he’s quitting the seminary to go off and “save the world.”

Trailer available at ABC’s YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Pass.  The Wonder Years meets That 70s Show with a dash of Modern Family and maybe All in the Family as well as Eight is Enough thrown into the mix to become The Kids Are Alright, which, incidentally, was the working title of That 70s Show. Though I wanted to like what this teaser trailer was serving, this new sitcom boasts much in the way of ham-fisted nostalgia, in spades, coupled with forced parallelism to our modern times, while depending on what seems to be a lackluster cast of mostly unknown quantities trying, hard, to elicit laughs.  It even has voice-over narration in the way Daniel Stern’s Kevin Arnold talked over the younger Fred Savage version of the character’s antics in The Wonder Years.  Perhaps, there is potential to appeal to viewers hungry for this type of on-the-nose comedy, and if there is something we’re missing here, you can always tell us, but again, nothing struck as particularly funny as much as “all been done before” while watching the trailer, so we’re not willing to say this one’s alright, at least for now.




WHEN: Thursdays at 9/8c

WHO: Matt Davis (The Vampire Diaries), Danielle Rose Russell (The Originals), Quincy Fouse (The Goldbergs), Kaylee Bryant (Santa Clarita Diet), Jenny Boyd

WHAT: The Vampire Diaries and Originals spinoff follows the next generation of supernatural beings at The Salvatore School for the Young and Gifted, including Klaus Mikaelson’s daughter, 17-year-old Hope Mikaelson; Alaric Saltzman’s twins, Lizzie and Josie Saltzman; and other young adults come of age in the most unconventional way possible, nurtured to be their best selves in spite of their worst impulses. Will these young witches, vampires and werewolves become the heroes they want to be — or the villains they were born to be?



VERDICT: Pick Up.  CPU! includes fans who talked for several episodes about The Vampire Diaries and another panel will be finishing up ongoing water cooler coverage of The Originals in the very near future, now that the series has recently ended.  I imagine, therefore, that a chunk of us will want to check out this spin-off of the Vampire Diaries universe, if for no other reason than that any one of us might have a tough time letting said universe go for good.  Still, it would be a tall order to imagine that any of these characters, or their portraying actors, will be as interesting as the leading casts of either TVD or The Originals, but since the theme of the season seems to be morbid curiosity, we’ll just carry that with us as we give this new entry in the annals of vampire/supernatural fantasy fiction a try (and even if Alaric’s school is the supernatural Hogwarts).  Plus, we might see guest appearances by anyone from either of the two casts, so, morbid curiosity for the win!

Magnum P.I.



WHEN: Mondays at 9/8c

WHO: Jay Hernandez (Scandal, Last Resort), Perdita Weeks (Penny Dreadful), Zachary Knighton (Happy Endings), Stephen Hill (Luke Cage, Boardwalk Empire)

WHAT: An update of the classic television series set in Hawaii, the show follows Thomas Magnum, a decorated ex-Navy SEAL who, upon returning home from Afghanistan, repurposes his military skills to become a private investigator.

Trailer available at CBS’ YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Pass.  Do you see Tom Selleck anywhere?  Do you?!?!  The answer to this question is the same answer to the question, “Will you be watching this latest reboot?” From the network that also brought us reboots of Hawaii Five-O and MacGyver – and, hell, of the entire 1980s – we now have a reboot of Magnum PI. Rebooted theme song included.  I didn’t watch much of the original and can’t imagine watching a less awesome actor than Tom Selleck taking on the part of the titular Magnum.  Call me crotchety, but this reboot madness is, well, madness.  Of course, wait until you read just a bit further.

We pass, by the way.




WHEN: Mondays at 10/9c

WHO: Josh Dallas (Once Upon a Time), Melissa Roxburgh (Valor), J.R. Ramirez (Jessica Jones, Power), Athena Karkanis (Zoo), Parveen Kaur (Beyond), Luna Blaise (Fresh Off the Boat), Jack Messina

WHAT: When Montego Air Flight 828 landed safely after a turbulent but routine flight, the crew and passengers were relieved. Yet in the span of those few hours, the world had aged five years and their friends, families and colleagues, after mourning their loss, had given up hope and moved on. Now, faced with the impossible, they’re all given a second chance. But as their new realities become clear, a deeper mystery unfolds and some of the returned passengers soon realize they may be meant for something greater than they ever thought possible.

Trailer available at NBC’s YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Pick Up.  Though the Peacock network may yet be trying for its next Lost, like so many other networks, ABC included, have tried before it, and though the trailer was not the best packaged presentation to tease the mystery being offered here, this new drama does offer some areas of interest, though this viewer’s immediate question was: “Did they fly over the Bermuda Triangle?”  Our Once Upon a Time panelists might be interested in the quick return of top-billed Josh Dallas, the once upon a time Prince Charming from the recently ended ABC fantasy.  Our Marvel’s Defenders panel may recognize J.R. Ramirez from the second season of Jessica Jones.  Ultimately, though, the core mystery is intriguing: where did the plane go, and why didn’t they age?  Though my vote is Bermuda Triangle voodoo, or maybe alien kidnapping, I’m intrigued enough to want to watch to learn the answers.

Murphy Brown



WHEN: Thursdays at 9:30/8:30c

WHO: Original stars Candice Bergen, Faith Ford, Joe Regalbuto and Grant Shaud, plus Tyne Daly (Cagney & Lacey), Jake McDorman (Limitless, Greek), Nik Dodani (Atypical)

WHAT: Bergen reprises her role as the investigative journalist, who returns to a world of cable news, social media, fake news, and a very different political and cultural climate.

Trailer available at CBS’ YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Pick Up.  It’s madness, I tell you!  But, hey, do you see Candice Bergen?  Do you?!?!  Well…that is the question, you got your answer, and so on, etc. que sera, fin. Of all the reboots to reboot, this one couldn’t be more appropriate or timely for today’s geopolitical circus, which, frankly, depresses this CP regardless of on which side of the aisle you prefer to hang your hat.  Back in the day, Murphy Brown was a hard-hitting situation comedy that challenged the tenets passing for the conservatism heading the country and the bumbling silence of the liberal answer, all while also holding the media complex, then far less complex, accountable for their contribution to the insanity.  Now, the world is a lot more insane, and, frankly, I could use Murphy’s brand of loyalty to the truth and skewering sarcasm to make me feel better about the state of things.  Though the reboot moves on without the inimitable Charles Kimbrough and the now deceased Robert Pastorelli, two ingredients we might end up missing more than we think, I believe the world is more ready for an older, sassier Murphy than they are for a Magnum PI who is not Tom Selleck.  Dan Quayle, eat your heart out!  Mike Pence: brace yourself!

The Neighborhood



WHEN: Mondays at 8/7c

WHO: Cedric the Entertainer (The Soul Man), Max Greenfield (New Girl), Beth Behrs (2 Broke Girls), Sheaun McKinney (Great News), Marcel Spears (The Mayor), Tichina Arnold (Survivor’s Remorse), Hank Greenspan

WHAT: The nicest guy in the Midwest moves his family into a tough neighborhood in L.A. where not everyone appreciates his extreme neighborliness.

Promo teaser available at CBS’ YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Very Hesitantly Pick Up.  With only a 30 second teaser available to assess this new comedy, this viewer is not particularly hopeful or confident that things will be all that good in this neighborhood.  Still, Cedric the Entertainer is reliably funny, and Max Greenfield’s sense of comedic timing (the erstwhile Schmidt on recently ended New Girl, of course) could be the winning ingredient, while lightly poking fun at some sociological phenomena of this day and age that will cross some important social and cultural boundaries.  Or, it could just be a hot mess, since Max was a last minute recasting, particularly if it relies on a traditional sitcom format, laugh track included, to elicit viewer laughs.  Still, we’ve given other pick ups to shows with less going for them, so why not?

New Amsterdam



WHEN: Tuesdays at 10/9c

WHO: Ryan Eggold (The Blacklist), Janet Montgomery (Salem), Freema Agyeman (Sense8, Doctor Who), Anupam Kher (Sense8), Tyler Labine (Reaper), Jocko Sims (The Last Ship)

WHAT: Inspired by Bellevue, the oldest public hospital in America, the medical drama follows the brilliant and charming Dr. Max Goodwin, the institution’s newest medical director who sets out to tear up the bureaucracy and provide exceptional care.

Trailer available at NBC’s YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Hesitantly Pick Up.  Okay, I’ll grant you: it’s another medical drama, which CPU! doesn’t cover much, and there are few genres that rely so heavily on formulaic tropes as the medical drama (outside of procedural TV).  Yet, there’s something a bit different about this medical drama, at least given what was presented in the trailer.  And NBC is on fire this coming season with some intriguing pilots and orders to season that sort of break mold – so why shouldn’t their selection for a medical drama be different, even if they might be looking to find their next ER, which was a tent pole staple of evening TV on this very network for nearly two decades.  The doctor in the lead has cancer, is appointed director of medicine at the oldest hospital in the nation, and wants to disrupt the system enough to get the hospital to return focus to actual medicine and not upon speedy service and expensive billing.  And really – isn’t that what we all want? Sure, this one could descend rapidly into schmaltz, but I don’t know.  There’s something a bit bolder here than the normal medical drama, and I think I’m here for it.  Let’s see if other Couch Potatoes feel the same.

The Passage



WHEN: Midseason

WHO: Mark-Paul Gosselaar (Pitch), Vincent Piazza (Boardwalk Empire), Brianne Howey (The Exorcist), Emmanuelle Chriqui (Entourage), Saniyya Sidney (American Horror Story: Roanoke), Jamie McShane (Bloodline), Caroline Chikezie (The Shannara Chronicles)

WHAT: Based on author Justin Cronin’s best‐selling trilogy of the same name, the drama centers around a secret government medical facility experimenting with a dangerous virus that could either cure all disease or cause the downfall of the human race. The series focuses on a 10‐year‐old girl named Amy Bellafonte, who is chosen to be a test subject for this experiment and Brad Wolgast, the Federal agent who becomes her surrogate father as he tries to protect her.

Trailer available at Fox’s YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Pick Up. Though this CP thinks she might actually want to read these books first after watching the trailer, I am all sorts of intrigued by the story – which feels very movie-like, by the way, in terms of tension and mystery – being presented by The Passage.  First, I think Zach Morris is no longer the worst, for reals, though.  Mark-Paul Gosselaar seems to be putting forth a compelling effort in the lead character role for this show and more of a compelling effort than I’ve seen him put forth recently.  Second, what a tangled web of moral ambiguity we’re about to watch!  No wonder these books were bestsellers.  This show presents a heck of a lot of science fiction fueled potential, and that’s what we love here at CPU!, so pick this one up we shall – seems like easy passage to me.

Proven Innocent



WHEN: Midseason

WHO: Rachelle Lefevre (Under the Dome), Russell Hornsby (Grimm), Kelsey Grammer (Boss), Vincent Kartheiser (Mad Men), Riley Smith (Frequency, Nashville), Nikki M. James (BrainDead), Clare O’Connor (Easy)

WHAT: A legal drama set in an wrongful conviction firm. Led by a fierce and fearless female lawyer with a hunger for justice, the team reopens investigations, putting their own lives in danger to exonerate the innocent that were “proven” guilty.

Trailer available at Fox’s YouTube channel.



VERDICT: Very Hesitantly Pick Up. There are medical dramas, and then there are legal dramas.  No TV season can be without 20 of each.  Though the trailer here presented a premise that promises to be manipulative and somewhat force-fed, this viewer is drawn to cast members this time out, particularly Russell Hornsby, who we loved on Grimm; Kelsey Grammer, who is more than a mere Boss; and Vincent Kartheiser, married to Alexis Bledel and sometime supporting star of Mad Men and Angel.  I will give this one a try for them, but if this drama falls into a nebulous sticky goo of manipulative feel-good lawyer-type stuff, it won’t last – for us or for the viewing public, at least not in an entertainment complex saturated with vehicles just like it.

The Red Line



WHEN: Midseason

WHO: Noah Wyle (ER), Noel Fisher (Shameless), Michael Patrick Thornton (Private Practice), Emayatzy Corinealdi (Ballers, Hand of God), Vinny Chhibber (NoTomorrow), Aliyah Royale, Howard Charles (The Musketeers), Elizabeth Laidlaw (Boss)

WHAT: After a white cop in Chicago mistakenly shoots and kills a black doctor, we follow three vastly different families that all have connections with the case as the story is told from each perspective.



VERDICT: Pass. There is no trailer available to watch for the TV pundits, so judging from the scant synopsis offered above, this particular new vehicle has the potential to be Crash, the TV show.  Or, perhaps it’s another go at Shots Fired, a limited series that aired on Fox and was canceled after one season of low ratings.  As easy on the eyes as Noah Wyle is, and as happy as we are to see him back on TV, there simply isn’t enough to go on to establish a connection beyond what seems visibly recycled.  If buzz, accolades, or steam start steaming up the joint, we’ll happily reconsider.  We’re really quite flexible around here.  There’s nothing preventing us from doing our yoga while we couch potato, you know.