PODCAST! – Around the Water Cooler & Streaming Originals: The CPU! Goodbye to “A Series of Unfortunate Events” – The Season 3 Recap and Review + Looking Back at Seasons 1-3 (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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Moderated by: Nick

THE SPECS:

Who: “A Series of Unfortunate Events” is an American black comedy-drama television series developed by Mark Hudis and Barry Sonnenfeld, which is based upon the children’s novel series of the same name authored by Lemony Snicket and which is a Netflix original series, always available on Netflix.

What: “A Series of Unfortunate Events” adapts the books of Lemony Snicket’s series of novels. It stars Neil Patrick Harris, Patrick Warburton, Malina Weissman, Louis Hynes, K. Todd Freeman, and Presley Smith.

SYNOPSIS

When a mysterious fire kills their parents, the Baudelaire children are placed into the care of their distant relative Count Olaf (Harris), an actor who is determined to claim the family fortune for himself. Following Olaf’s initial failed attempt to do so, the Baudelaires set out to elude Olaf and to uncover the mystery behind a secret society from their parents’ past.

When: Season 3 was released in its entirety to the Netflix streaming library on January 1, 2019, with a total of 7 episodes.

Where: The action takes place in various fictional locales, not always specifically named.

Why: To find out why individual podcast panelists started watching this show, listen to the podcast episode covering Season 1 via the link below.

How – as in How Was It? – THOUGHTS

Couch Potatoes Unite! has been reviewing and recapping this series from the beginning! If you need to catch up with us, listen to the prior episodes of this series via the embedded links below:

Season 1

Season 2

Frequent contributor and panelist Nick abounds in passion and, therefore, perseveres in his moderation duties while discussing the latest (and final) season of Netflix Streaming Original A Series of Unfortunate Events, in this latest chapter of CPU!’s podcast episodes about this #Unfortunate series. In this final season’s recap and review, yours truly, the Chief CP, again participates as a regular old panelist to remark upon the unfortunate-ness of the whole affair. Nick and I are, in turn, joined by returning CPU! and ASOUE panelists Kristen, Kelsey, Selene, and Jenn for this final probing, passionate, and, at times, pithy discussion about the Baudelaires and their trials and tribulations.

This podcast was recorded in May 2019, and there are, without question, MAJOR SPOILERS, as we cover major plot points throughout the third and final season of A Series of Unfortunate Events. Listen at your own risk, and let us know what you think by commenting below!

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Remember, new episodes and blog posts are published weekly!  Next Wednesday, our regularly scheduled review episodes will return to a brief hiatus (as spring moves into summer), so CPU! will continue the “On the Couch With…” feature with Associate Producer of Marketing and frequent panelist Krista interviewing Associate Producer of Special Projects and frequent panelist Selene.  Stay tuned until next week for more casual one-on-one, get-to-know hilarity!

Lingering Questions

1) Will the Baudelaire children survive their trials and tribulations? Will they get a happy ending? Will they reunite with the caring Justice Strauss (Joan Cusack) from Season 1? Will they find a happy home anywhere? Or, will they be marginally miserable but, at least, always together?

ANSWERS: (SPOILERS!!!) The Baudelaires survive and become quite self-sufficient in the end, needing no guardian, which might be the happiest ending that they could have expected or for which we, the viewers, could have hoped. They also reunite, briefly, with Justice Strauss, who the viewer learns has been searching for them for the length of the entire series, ever since the children were separated from the kind judge in the first season. Unfortunately, Justice Strauss is forced to preside over a trial during which the Baudelaires must answer for questionable, entirely inadvertent crime(s). The Baudelaires, as a result of a rigged system overseen by nefarious High Court adjudicators that Justice Strauss naively trusts, choose to run from the trial, particularly given some arson-related circumstances affecting the trial’s location, and find themselves on the ocean and sailing toward a mysterious island, surprisingly with Count Olaf and without Justice Strauss. After these wily children deal with Count Olaf on this removed island oasis, they make a temporary home for themselves in an abode, the interior of an apple tree, previously occupied by their parents; the island itself provides a very specific tidal window through which to sail that can only be accessed once per year. The Baudelaires, then, after a year of waiting for the turn in the tide, return to the mainland, together, where they presumably live out the rest of their days. Listen to the podcast episode for further details.

2) Will Count Olaf get his well-deserved comeuppance?

ANSWER: Well…Count Olaf does find himself on the receiving end of a poisonous fungus and a harpoon, which (SPOILER!!!) ultimately cause his death. Whether that ending feels satisfying as a proverbial “comeuppance” is debatable. Listen to the podcast episode for details.

3) What is the SUGAR BOWL? Why should we care about the sugar bowl? Is it Beatrice’s sugar bowl? Why does Esme Squalor (Lucy Punch) want it so badly?

ANSWER: The SUGAR BOWL is just a sugar bowl, as it turns out, though it becomes an important vessel for the VFD’s secret formula for a weaponized poisonous fungus called the Medusoid Mycelium, as well as the sugar-like form of the antidote to said poisonous fungus. Esme wants the bowl so badly because the SUGAR BOWL was originally her sugar bowl, part of a tea set that was very “in” for her when it was whole. Listen to the podcast episode for further analysis.

4) Who is Beatrice? Is she dead? If not, where is she?

ANSWER: The podcast panel believes that Beatrice, i.e. the subject of Lemony Snicket’s (Warburton) notes at the top of each pair of episodes, is the Baudelaires’ mother, played by Morena Baccarin, who is confirmed to be dead. Yet, Beatrice could also refer to Lemony’s niece, Beatrice Baudelaire II, who the Baudelaire siblings care for following the death of Beatrice II’s mom, and Lemony’s sister, Kit Snicket. Listen to the podcast episode for details.

5) Are the Baudelaires’ parents really dead? If not, will we see them again?

ANSWER: Yes. The Baudelaires’ parents are really dead, though we are treated to a glimpse of them in a series finale flashback.

6) If Lemony Snicket is telling the story, does he know the end?

ANSWER: No. Lemony does not know the end, and he makes a point of saying that readers/viewers are not meant to know all the answers to all the questions, either. In fact, the series finish is rather open-ended. Listen to the podcast episode for details.

7) Are the Quagmires’ (Avi Lake and Dylan Kingwell) parents officially dead?

ANSWER: Yes. The Quagmires’ parents are officially dead.

8) Who is Jacqueline (Sara Canning) – what is her goal?

ANSWER: Unknown. Jacqueline apparently leaves to be the new Duchess of Winnipeg, according to Mr. Poe (Freeman). We presume Jacqueline fulfilled her VFD duties in ensuring, sloppily, the protection of the Baudelaire children, but her disappearance ultimately feels forced and unsatisfying. Of course, maybe we are not supposed to care about whether or not Jacqueline has goals, since we are also not sure if they have been fulfilled. Anyway, we’ll never know the answer, unless Lemony Snicket writes more books focused on any of the other characters besides the Baudelaire siblings. Of course, panelist Jenn reveals in this episode, after some cursory research, that Jacqueline is not a character in the books. In conclusion, none of the panelists appear to be too broken up about the lack of Jacqueline information. Let us know what you think.

9) Will the Quagmire triplets return?

ANSWER: We do not see the original two triplets, at least not until the last episode, but we do learn that Quigley, the third, presumably dead, triplet is actually alive. Listen to the podcast episodes for details.

10) What is the VFD already? And why did Count Olaf “look away” from them at the start? Why do they have standard disguise kits?

ANSWER: The VFD is a super-secret spy organization established to put out the world’s fires, both literal and proverbial. We learn in this season that Count Olaf is wooed away from the stability and safety of the VFD because, first, Beatrice I inadvertently kills Olaf’s beloved father via a freak opera-house accident, and because, second, two nefarious characters with absolutely no back story – the Man with a Beard and No Hair and the Woman with Hair and No Beard – see fit to cause the oft-mentioned VFD schism by preying upon the easily manipulated but grieving Olaf. The disguises, we presume, are part of spying. Except where Olaf is concerned, when disguises and costumes are either part of ACTING or NEFARIOUS SCHEMES TO STEAL CHILDREN’S FORTUNES. Anyway, the panel believes that the VFD might be officially defunct as of the end of ASOUE, unless there are other VFD agents out in the world that we have not yet met. We’re not betting our opiate-laced coconut milk on it, though.

New Questions Without Answers

1) Who are the Man With a Beard and No Hair and the Woman with Hair and No Beard, and why do they have such beef with the VFD? Why were they introduced so late in the series?

2) How could the Baudelaire children remain on the mainland without an official guardian, and why isn’t the viewer at least somewhat entitled to know the minimum information about the world in which the Baudelaires reside vis-a-vis wards of the state?

3) What exactly is the nature of the relationship between Count Olaf and Kit Snicket, and why does the show not take more time to develop it?

4) Are all three of the triplets at the Hotel Denouement, as played by Max Greenfield, truly good and/or truly evil? Why would Kit Snicket align herself with the allegedly evil one if she was really good? For that matter, is Count Olaf truly evil or simply greedy and nefarious?

5) Why don’t the Baudelaires seek Lemony Snicket out sooner than the series finale, when Beatrice II seems to be preteen adjacent?

6) Whatever happened to Fernald and Fiona Widdershins? Whatever happened to their stepfather?

7) Did Ishmael (Peter MacNicol) create the mysterious series-ending island? Why is the island shaped like the VFD insignia tattooed on all of its agents?

8) Why didn’t Nathan Fillion appear in the flashback scene with Morena Baccarin or, earlier in Season 2, with Neil Patrick Harris in what could have been fourth-wall shattering actor reunions between Joss Whedon series alumni?

9) Whatever happened to the pirates?

10) Whatever happened to the orphans on Count Olaf’s submarine?

PARTING SHOTS

The ASOUE panel’s review of Season 3 is decidedly mixed among the various panelists. Some panelists, particularly the Chief CP and Jenn, expressed experiencing a mingled sense of apathy, frustration, and boredom about where the series ended, as they regard the repetition off-putting even as the ending felt rushed; other panelists, like Kelsey and Kristen, find themselves relieved that the ending was, ultimately, a bit more fortunate for the unfortunate Baudelaires. Remaining panelists Nick and Selene report possession of an overall sense of enthusiasm about the series, now that all is said and done, but acknowledge the obvious narrative flaws, which they discuss in this episode.

Yet, the panelists continue to unanimously praise the visual presentation and technical aspects of the show, even as they offer wide-ranging reactions to the overall direction and story flow. To that end, all panelists find reason to enjoy the show’s overall pastiche, with the script’s whimsical wordplay, the over the top characters, and the absurdly unfortunate situations guiding the overarching plot. The panelists also laud the use of tongue-in-cheek breakage of the fourth wall and some sly references to popular culture, though such references may or may not date this story over time. Ultimately, however, many of the panelists struggle with the scattered and somewhat tonally flat final season’s end, feeling that the show does not so much earn its sprint across its artificially constructed fictional finish line, despite all of its ham-fisted attempts to subvert typical fantasy tropes and in light of the anticlimactic and somewhat unsatisfying story conclusion. Still, all panelists, even the skeptics like the Chief CP, find enough good to say about A Series of Unfortunate Events to recommend it in the end, which is kind of fortunate, if you think about it. Of course, you don’t have to take our word for it – you can always “look away.”

THE FUTURE OF THE SHOW

Ended! A Series of Unfortunate Events ended with this third and final season after ultimately adapting all of the Lemony Snicket novels in the original book series via the three available seasons of this Netflix original program. All ASOUE seasons are, therefore, available to stream on Netflix, as that is the network that produced it. 

At the last, despite the fluctuations of panelist opinions between the first two seasons and between those seasons and the third, A Series of Unfortunate Events continues to be recommended by all of our panelists, especially to fans of the original book series; of the 2004 film adaptation of same; of Neil Patrick Harris and of Patrick Warburton, who portray Count Olaf and Mr. Snicket, respectively, and who do so with flourish and aplomb; to fans of the type of dark, sardonic humor offered by the likes of Tim Burton or Barry Sonnenfeld, the latter of whom is credited as a creator and an executive producer of this series; and to fans of generally wicked wordplay.  Panelists Kelsey and Selene recommend this program for family viewing along with younger children, though they expressed more concern about the uptick in darkness and death prevalent in the second and third seasons and about how their seven-year-old daughter might react to this new intensity. Chief CP Kylie, the only true member of Gen X on this panel, continues to caution that the series may be more palatable to Millennials and to younger generations, who had a chance to grow up with the original series of children’s books and who might relate to the program more easily, despite the fact that the erstwhile Doogie Howser MD plays a lead character.  Yet, in the end, no panelist regards the viewing of this delightfully original if adapted series to be a waste of one’s time, which might not chalk up to be a fortunately ringing endorsement but can be construed as a CPU! Official Endorsement ™, nevertheless.

In addition, while our ASOUE coverage is primarily done, don’t be surprised if it makes an appearance or two in coming discussions, from time to time. In the meantime, from our Unfortunate panel of Cake-Sniffers to you, thank you for listening to our ongoing reviews of A Series of Unfortunate Events, which now officially come to a close.  To discover other shows discussed by CPU!, check here.  For now, we bid you adieu!

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Lemony Snicket (Patrick Warburton, right) meets Beatrice II over root beer floats in “The End” of ASOUE, Season 3
Who can tell what’s more Unfortunate? The Series of Unfortunate Events or our panel, having to say goodbye to you all (unfortunately).
Our ASOUE panel: Nick (left, moderator); Kelsey (top); Selene (right); Kristen (center); Jenn (on the laptop, being technical, and featuring her vocal cat, Duke)
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PODCAST! – Streaming Originals & Around the Water Cooler: “13 Reasons Why” – The Season 2 Recap and Review (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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Moderated by: Chief Couch Potato Kylie

THE SPECS:

Who: “13 Reasons Why” is a drama-mystery web television series based on the 2007 novel Thirteen Reasons Why by Jay Asher and is a Netflix original series, always available on Netflix.

What: “13 Reasons Why,” adapted by Brian Yorkey for Netflix, revolves around a high school student, Clay Jensen (Dylan Minnette), and his friend, Hannah Baker (Katherine Langford), who committed suicide after suffering a series of demoralizing circumstances, brought on by select individuals at her school. A box of cassette tapes recorded by Hannah before her suicide details thirteen reasons why she ended her life.

SYNOPSIS

Clay Jensen (Minnette) returns home from school to find a mysterious box lying on his porch. Inside, he discovers seven double-sided cassette tapes recorded by Hannah Baker (Langford), his classmate and unrequited love, who tragically committed suicide two weeks earlier. On tape, Hannah unfolds an emotional audio diary, detailing the thirteen reasons why she decided to end her life. The series explores the fallout from the revelations on Hannah’s tapes.

When: Season 2 was released in its entirety to the Netflix streaming library on May 18, 2018, with a total of thirteen episodes.

Where: The action takes place in an unnamed, presumably Californian town (the series was shot in California) at fictional Liberty High School.

Why: To find out why individual podcast panelists started watching this show, listen to the podcast episode via the link below.

How – as in How Was It? – THOUGHTS

CPU! has covered 13 Reasons Why since the series’ beginning. To listen to our Season 1 review, listen via the embedded link below or via our audio feed at Apple/iTunes, Stitcher Radio, and Google Play:

When 13 Reasons Why premiered on Netflix, so many CPU! core panelists advocated for a 13 Reasons Why panel, the Chief CP had to oblige and to subsequently draw lots, since we had more volunteers than actual room on the panel. Since that time, at least one panelist – Jenn – has jumped the shark after watching only a few episodes of the second season, though the rest of the panel, CPU! regulars Kristen, Andrew, Amie, Emily, and Jeremy, all returned to attempt to process Season 2 via what could only be described as a mixed bag of reactions.  In this episode, our remaining conscientious five, along with yours truly, the main moderator, parse through the thirteen new courtroom-based testimonies and three Polaroids of Season 2 of 13 Reasons Why and also delve into the continuing, ensuing controversies that this unflinching and graphic portrayal of social issues confronting today’s teens have wrought.

In the episode linked below, this panel spends considerable time with and meditates upon each of the deeply flawed characters motivating the story within 13 Reasons Why.  The panel also reacts to the continued debates and controversies arising from critical and popular reception of the series: is the show responsible social commentary or irresponsible revenge fantasy? Does the show glorify suicide, or does it provide a stark and necessary depiction of it in order to provoke needed conversation around signs and triggers?  Does the streaming network provide enough trigger warnings? Does the series attempt to tackle too many social issues at once, but only at a surface level, giving none of them a true exploration of said issues due to the sheer number of them, or is the show daring to tread roads where other series fear to go? Our eager and vocal panel participants may not have all the answers, but as with the world at large, some continued strong reactions are voiced during this longer-than-usual discussion.

For those who find it difficult to listen to discussion about sexual assault (rape), suicide, and the other heady topics bridged by this program, please note that we do discuss much of it directly and, in some instances, quite personally. Listener discretion is advised.

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Remember, new episodes and blog posts are published weekly! Next Wednesday, our A Series of Unfortunate Events panel returns – for the last time – to the Water Cooler to discuss the final season of the quirky Netflix dark comedy (allegedly) made for children, i.e. Season 3. In our upcoming episode, we will also Look Back at the entirety of this popular adaptation of Lemony Snicket’s novels, which we have covered on the podcast since the show’s beginning, and we will examine its relative success (or lack thereof) as an overall series as well as say goodbye, both to the series and to each other (for now). Stay tuned!

Questions, Impressions, and Future Considerations

1) We presume that Tyler Down (Devin Druid) will be the focal subject of Season 3, given the ending scene of Season 2, in which Tyler (SPOILER) brings a gun to school with the intention of unloading it during the Spring Fling dance and following Monty’s brutal act toward Tyler in the Season 2 finale. How appropriate is it for the show to switch gears from a narrative largely about Hannah and sexual assault/mental health issues/suicide to Tyler and the theme of school shootings/violence? Will the show be able to handle this transition sensitively and to broach this issue with care and responsibility? Should the show even be going down this road?

2) Given Chloe’s Season 2 finale admission to Jessica (Alisha Boe) that she is pregnant, a result of non-consensual sex with Bryce (Justin Prentice), the panelists fear that the show might additionally try to tackle the subject of abortion at a time when such a fraught topic might be timely from a sociological and political perspective, even as the vehicle, 13 Reasons Why the series, might not be an appropriate vessel for such a divisive subject. Our panel is especially concerned, as the show originally, again, focused on Hannah as the central character, and as the series has not handled the topics originally depicted by the source novel as sensitively as it could have in these socially aware times. Will the show broach the subject of abortion? Should it?

3) The show seeded a narrative/theme for a supporting character, the Class President Marcus, an African-American male, in Season 2, in which he was blackmailed by Tyler and his new friend Cyrus into labeling Bryce a “rapist” at a public event. The audience is given a glimpse into Marcus’ home life, in which his father praises his hard work and intelligence, particularly in light of the fact that he and his family expect to experience hardship due to race; yet, the show explored this issue, in the panel’s estimation, rather superficially in Season 2. Will the show revisit this theme in Season 3, since we saw Marcus experience no consequences for his actions against Hannah, his on-the-stand perjury (or obfuscation of the whole truth) during the trial, and his wavering sense of morality in light of his behavior and choices?

4) The panel strongly reacted to the show’s handling of Clay’s individual mental health issues, given his profound grief over Hannah’s death, his full-fledged conversations with her “ghost,” and his coping mechanisms related to his pursuit of his private investigation of the revelations around Hannah discussed during the trial, to his reactions and relationship to Skye, and to his dynamic as well as his care and support of Justin (Brandon Flynn) during Justin’s rounds of heroin detox. Will the show more meaningfully revisit Clay’s own mental health journey? Will we be given a better explanation for the Hannah manifestation? Or, were Clay’s reactions and apparent state of mind only dependent upon his obsession with Hannah, in life and in death, and will they be forgotten now that Hannah and, therefore, Clay has “moved on?”

5) Will the show explain or explore how the school district’s defense attorney came to know so many personal details about the various witnesses called to testify in the trial? We can assume or presume that Bryce provided some information, but where did much of the intimate information come from, and how was it vetted, if at all? The trial felt like the consummate courtroom melodrama and, in some ways, represented some of the sloppiest storytelling of Season 2, as far as our panel is concerned.

6) How will Clay’s parents’ decision to adopt Justin play out in Season 3? Will they be as oblivious to Justin’s ongoing addiction as they are to their son’s mental health state?

7) Is there more of a history between Tyler and Monty than what we have already seen, and, if so, what is it? Will we learn more in Season 3?

8) Will the show use another “device” to tell the story, like the cassettes or the Polaroids, in Season 3? What will it be?

9) With Chloe’s pronouncement to Jessica that she is pregnant, and with Bryce’s announcement to Zach (Ross Butler) that he is transferring to a different school, will Bryce be forced to cancel those plans? Will he remain at Liberty? Or, will his parents try to pay Chloe off or otherwise keep her quiet?

10) Will our panel fully return to discuss Season 3? Much doubt was expressed about the idea of extending this series even further beyond its source material than previously accomplished via the second season, and the panelists, mostly, feel trepidation about the idea of the coming third season. Listen to the podcast episode for details.

PARTING SHOTS

Universally, the CPU! 13 Reasons Why panelists feel that Season 2 of this controversial series is not as well executed as the first season. Without the reliable support of the source material, as the first season wholly adapted the one novel on which the series is based, the series’ second season struck our panelists as “forced,” “contrived,” superficial in its revisit of the issues that rendered the show such a water cooler TV topic in 2017, scattered in its attempt to tackle even more social issues than those originally addressed without being able to deeply or genuinely delve into them, “manipulative,” and, in some ways, more sensationalized in its depiction of sensitive issues, considering the strong negative response to the perceived sensationalism of the show’s first season. The panelists struggled most with the writing and narrative structure of Season 2, finding many of the plot choices and revelations about Hannah to be contradictory to what was learned in Season 1, which was based on the actual book, and in a way that did not add to her story. Panelists also panned some performances, particularly by some of the actors and actresses playing the parents, with the notable exceptions of the fabulous Kate Walsh and Brian d’Arcy James as Olivia and Andy Baker, Hannah’s parents, respectively. To that end, some of the episode direction suffered as a result, with choppy pacing and framing that felt as manipulative as the story being peddled in the series’ sophomore season, at least in our panel’s particular regard.

As a result, the panel no longer universally recommends 13 Reasons Why, at least beyond Season 1, as what many of the panelists enjoyed and lauded about the first season, especially the program’s ability to push the conversation about teen suicide, sexual assault, bullying, and other serious issues affecting today’s youth to the forefront, seemed watered down and worryingly “surface-level” in the second season.  In addition, the risky decision to renew an already shaky story structure for a third season leaves the panel with uneasy feelings, particularly as the show moves away from Hannah as a main focus and attempts to re-position the drama around problematic character Tyler and, presumably, the subject of school shootings as well as, quite possibly, teen pregnancy (and related issues), given Chloe’s circumstances. Thus, for anyone who has not watched this series, particularly Season 2, and is considering it, take this mixed-message recommendation for what it is: watch, and judge for yourself, but watch with caution all the same.

LOOKING AHEAD

13 Reasons Why was renewed for a third season, which is expected to drop later in 2019, though a tentative release date has not yet been announced by Netflix as of the date of this publication. As always, CPU! will keep you informed of all 13 Reasons Why coverage, and this panel will, as such, hopefully return some time after the release of Season 3 to recap the new season. Until then!

PODCAST! – Around the Water Cooler & Streaming Originals: The CPU! Goodbye to “Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt” – The Season 4 Recap and Review + Looking Back at Seasons 1-4 (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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Moderator: Chief Couch Potato Kylie

Who:  “Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt” is a Netflix original series, always available on Netflix, as it is Netflix-produced original content.

What: “Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt,” a situation comedy about a woman who, along with three other women, is rescued from an underground bunker in rural Indiana after being kidnapped or otherwise stuck inside for fifteen years as a member of a doomsday cult, the leader of which convinced them that the world had ended, and that the apocalypse had come.  Kimmy (Ellie Kemper, The Office) decides to start her life over in New York City, out of time and out of place.  Hilarity ensues.

SYNOPSIS

The heroine of the title, Kimmy Schmidt, is one of five women to emerge from an underground bunker in Indiana, having been, in some respects, unwitting members of a doomsday cult.  The five women were trapped in this bunker, with their religious leader Reverend Richard Wayne Gary Wayne, for fifteen years; Kimmy and her bunker-mates emerge into the twenty-first century while still stuck in the twentieth.  Brimming with endless optimism and a healthy dose of girl power, Kimmy decides to start her brand new life away from small town Indiana by setting up in New York City.  She luckily finds a rent controlled, in a manner of speaking, apartment with a fabulous new roommate named Titus Andromedon (D’Fwan from 30 Rock, Tituss Burgess) and an aging hippie landlord named Lillian, played by character actress Carol Kane.  Kimmy secures a job as a nanny with a ridiculously rich Park Avenue family, the Voorhees, the matriarch of which is boss from hell and new best friend Jacqueline (now White as of Season 2, Jane Krakowski, 30 Rock/Ally McBeal)Mostly, Kimmy finds herself full of optimism but is otherwise a struggling fish out of water and out of time, as she attempts to create an adult life for herself, having lost such a significant part of her childhood to the spartan and strange life of the bunker.

When: The fourth season of the series was released by Netflix in two parts: six episodes were released on May 30, 2018, and the subsequent final six episodes dropped on January 25, 2019.

Where: The action is set in and around New York City, New York, though there are occasional flashbacks to the bunker, which is in Indiana.

Why: The show was created by Tina Fey and Robert Carlock, the producer/creative team responsible for giving us 30 Rock, of which the panelists are generally huge fans. Many of us also enjoyed Ellie Kemper quite a bit in The Office and in the movie Bridesmaids, as she’s got great comedic timing.  This show was on CPU!’s list of pilots to watch for the 2014-2015 season and was originally slated to air on NBC, but when Netflix picked it up instead, it was an easy choice to switch over.

How – as in How’s It Going? (THOUGHTS…at present)

CPU! started covering “Kimmy” from the beginning.  If you haven’t heard our previous Kimmy podcast episodes, listen/watch via the embedded links below:

Season 1

Season 2 – LIVE

Season 3 – LIVE (Sort Of)

Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt blew up the internet when it was first released, which is not surprising, because it begins with an extremely funny premise and a unique sensibility that catch the viewer off guard, along with its wacky humor, witty dialogue (no doubt spearheaded by Fey), stunt casting, and generally zany but positive tone.  In some ways, however, these elements begin to falter in big ways in the fourth season, or so says our UBK panel – original panelists Kristen, Nick, Sarah, Krista, and Andrew – in this latest discussion about the final season, Season 4. Do you agree or disagree with our thoughts on the fourth season?  Our thoughts about the entire series? Let us know if there is anything that you think we missed!

This podcast was recorded in April 2019, and there are, without question, MAJOR SPOILERS, as we also Look Back at and contemplate all four seasons of the show. Listen at your own risk, and let us know what you think by commenting below!

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Remember, new episodes and blog posts are published weekly!  Next Wednesday, our regularly scheduled review episodes will take a brief hiatus (May is always a busy month for our panelists), so we are launching a new interview feature whereby you, the listener, will hear, in a bit more in-depth type fashion, profiles of the CPU! core panelists. In the first episode of “On the Couch With…,” frequent panelist Sarah interviews…yours truly, Chief Couch Potato Kylie (as if you haven’t heard enough of my voice!).  Stay tuned until next week for some casual one-on-one, get-to-know hilarity!

Lingering Questions

1)  REPEAT QUESTION: Will we see Kimmy’s mom, Lori Ann (guest: Lisa Kudrow), again?  Is she still married to Kimmy’s stepdad, played by Tim Blake Nelson?

NEW ANSWER: Lisa Kudrow returns this season for the series finale in a lovely way (listen to the podcast episode for details). Her marriage status vis-a-vis Kimmy’s stepdad is never clarified in any season of the show, though we surmise that we do not really care anymore.

2)  Will we see any more representatives from 30 Rock, since Season 3 was lousy with 30 Rock cameos?

ANSWER: No. No additional 30 Rock actors appear in Season 4. Tina Fey does not even return.

3)  Will there be a larger plot involving the Reverend, since he and Kimmy are still married?

ANSWER: Sort of. Though the Reverend Richard Wayne Gary Wayne is currently housed in federal prison, we see him reconnect, first, with his number one fan, DJ Fingablast aka Doug, in DJ Fingablast’s documentary/mockumentary “Party Monster: Scratching the Surface,” otherwise known as UBK Episode 3. Fingablast reveals that he knew the Reverend way back when he was a (my word) hackneyed wedding DJ, which inspired Jacqueline’s one-time youthful paramour to take up the disc jockey trade. Because Fingablast is so loyal to the Reverend, the DJ also teams up with men’s rights activist Fran Dodd (guest: Bobby Moynihan); they both regard the Reverend as a champion for waning men’s rights, particularly in light of how others sympathize with the Mole Women while Fingablast’s number-one idol rots in jail. This story line becomes largely anticlimactic in the end, however, as Fingablast finds his truth in love, and Fran finds someone to love him back, as being rejected by the fairer sex is ultimately what drives him to take up the plight of the allegedly beleaguered straight, white man in the first place. The panelists additionally feel that the writers tried for satire with this comedic situation, but that said attempt rings hollow for most of us. Listen to the podcast episode for details.

4) Will Tina Fey always play AHN-drea/Andrea?

ANSWER: No. As above, Tina Fey does not appear in Season 4 and plays a Marcia Clark-like attorney in Season 1.

5) Will Titus and Mikey get back together?

ANSWER: Yes! By the end of the series, Mikey comes to his senses and realizes that he knows Titus’ brand – and still loves him for it. In the epilogue, we learn that they marry and adopt beautiful ethnic babies.

6) Will Lillian and Artie reunite?

ANSWER: No. In a confounding decision that confused our panel to the point of apathy, Artie dies off-screen in the transition between seasons – yet appears as a largely unhelpful ghost-figure, available to advise Lillian as she administers the trust fund of Artie’s very rich, very spoiled, huge train wreck of a daughter Sheba (guest: Busy Phillips). This situation stumbles for our panelists, particularly since the actor playing Artie made himself available to play a ghost. In other words, the joke does not work, son.

7) Will Jenna, I mean, Jackie Lynn, I mean, Jacqueline, be funnier as an agent?

ANSWER: No. In fact, Jane Krakowski’s performance in this final season also rings flat and feels tonally off, in every episode of Season 4, for all of our panelists – which means she actually becomes less funny as the head of “White Talent” (who represents Titus) as opposed to more. This joke is, like, of the quality of the sketches of Saturday Night Live in the 2000s. Our panel loves Tina Fey, but this might not be a coincidence.

8) Will Kimmy find her raison d’etre?

ANSWER: Yes. She becomes a children’s book author who endeavors to empower girls with a positive attitude and a healthy dose of imagination. Her first book, The Legends of Greemulax, becomes a Harry Potter-like treatise of female empowerment and unexpectedly touches and inspires Xanthippe, much to Xan’s chagrin, particularly when she learns of the author’s real name behind the nom de plume otherwise listed on the book’s cover.

9) Will Lisa Kudrow come back?  She was well received by our panel.

ANSWER: Yes. As above, Lisa Kudrow returns in the series finale. And there is much rejoicing.

PARTING SHOTS

Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is now done, and the CPU! UBK panel universally agrees that the final season of the quirky sitcom is the least fresh and least successfully executed, if successfully executed at all, of all the show’s seasons. In fact, the panel opines that though the first season was fresh and funny and surprising in all the best ways, the show’s quality has steadily declined since then, if examining the series as a whole, even as the offbeat comedy contains shining moments of amusement in every season. Though all panelists found reason to laugh when inspired by the show’s over the top characters and absurdist situations, many of the panelists struggled with the scattered and somewhat tonally flat fourth season’s continued reach for gimmicks, like the tone deaf #metoo satire, as well as the generally disjointed story lines, such as Jacqueline’s ongoing journey of alleged personal growth, culminating in her partnership with guest Zachary Quinto’s Eli. Yet, the panelists cannot deny that other characters’ various exploits, like Titus’ discovery of the secret of Cats, the musical, spark smiles, if not sustained ones. Still, the panelists further regard the show as a non-formulaic sitcom with some solid joke-telling, particularly in the first two seasons, less so in the latter two, as well as some easy laughs throughout – that is, when the humor sticks the landing, which the panel has determined is not always the case in Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.

THE FUTURE OF THE SHOW

Ended!  Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt ended as of January 2019, by mutual agreement of Netflix and the show’s producers, after four seasons.  All four seasons are available to stream on Netflix, as that is the network that produced it. 

The panel, however, does not universally recommend Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt now that the series has ended. Panelist Kristen would recommend it only to individuals with similar senses of humor. Panelists Chief CP Kylie, Nick, and Krista would recommend the show only if the potential viewer has watched 30 Rock and liked that series, while panelist Krista feels that only the first two seasons are truly recommendable, given the series’ perceived decline in its latter half. Panelists Sarah and Andrew would not recommend the comedy to others, as they feel that there are other, better shows in similar genres with similar oeuvres, including The Office, Friends, and Schitt’s Creek.  All in all, these responses and impressions leave the panel with some anticlimactic feelings, as this comedy, which once felt new and fresh, seemed to devolve into some level of disjointed, abstract, “spaghetti at the wall” mediocrity, despite the winning cast performances.  On the other hand, the panelists are ultimately glad that Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt exists – they alive, dammit! It’s a miracle! – in light of its unique premise and strong core cast, and they might even miss the show, in the end, but no one plans to rush to re-watch it anytime soon.  Take that, gentle viewer and listener, for what it’s worth.

In addition, while our UBK coverage is primarily done, don’t be surprised if it makes an appearance or two in coming discussions, from time to time. In the meantime, from our Unbreakable panel of Cats-haters to you, thank you for listening to our ongoing Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt series, which now officially comes to a close.  To discover other shows discussed by CPU!, check here.  For now, we bid you adieu!

UPDATE!

Apparently, our panel is not quite done. Have you heard the late-breaking news? A final interactive special of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt will appear on Netflix in 2020.

It’s official. This podcast has psychic powers.

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Kimmy Schmidt (Ellie Kemper, left); Jacqueline White (Jane Krakowski, center);
and Titus Andromedon (Tituss Burgess, right) settle in for a weekend of binge TV and girl talk
in Season 4, Episode Two: “Kimmy Has a Weekend!”
The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt panel of Couch Potatoes Unite! gets silly.
Andrew’s in the center.
You probably guessed that, didn’t you?
The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt panel, from left to right:
Andrew, Krista, Kristen, Nick, and Sarah

PODCAST! – Around the Water Cooler & Streaming Originals: “Orange is the New Black,” the Season 6 Recap and Review (MAJOR SPOILERS)

Moderator: Chief Couch Potato Kylie

THE SPECS:

Who: “Orange is the New Black” is available to Netflix subscribers exclusively, as it is Netflix produced original content.

What: “Orange is the New Black,” a comedy drama about a Manhattan woman whose past catches up to her and for which she must serve time in federal prison.

SYNOPSIS

Taylor Schilling plays Piper Chapman, a seemingly run-of-the-mill woman and maker of homemade soaps. Unfortunately, Piper learns that she must serve a short sentence in federal prison after she is implicated in the bust of an international drug cartel, of which her former girlfriend, Alex Vause (Laura Prepon), was a member and who Piper aided and abetted. What’s more, Piper finds, at first, that she is wholly unequipped for prison. Though some, like unabashed, self-proclaimed “lesbian junkie” Nicky Nichols (Natasha Lyonne), are kind and helpful to her, others show her no mercy. In addition, the guards, all men, are mostly drunk on their own power, the prison counselors play favorites and are easily offended, and the prison population is divided by race, unofficially but automatically, which offends Piper’s liberal sensibilities.  If all that weren’t complicated enough, Piper’s ex Alex is sent to the same prison, and Piper’s emotions are deeply conflicted, as she reasons that only Alex could have pointed the finger to get her in trouble in the first place, while at the same time, the old attractions between the two women remain undeniably present.

When: Netflix released Season 6 to its streaming library on July 27, 2018, with a total of thirteen episodes.

Where: The show is set in upstate New York, though flashbacks for each of the prisoners who comprise the cast of characters sometimes venture away from New York.

Why: Many panelists saw the teaser trailers for the series while watching other programming on Netflix and also on network TV.  Listen to prior podcast episodes to discover how individual panelists found this show.

How – as in How’s It Going? (THOUGHTS…at present)

CPU! has been covering Orange is the New Black since its debut on Netflix’s ever growing streaming service.  You can read about the first season here and listen to podcast episodes about Seasons 2-5 below:

Season 2

Season 3, Part One

Season 3, Part Two

Season 4

Season 5

Our OITNB-oriented Couch Potatoes and enthusiasts – namely moderator and Chief Couch Potato Kylie, Kristen, Krista, Nick, Amanda, and Andrew – triumphantly, if belatedly, return to the CPU! Water Cooler to talk all things Season 6 of the wildly popular (and Orange) Netflix drama for this latest podcast episode.  We engaged in our usual heady and heavy discussion about some of the plot lines that we saw emerge – “to the max” – in the sixth season. What do you think?  Do you agree? Do you disagree? What are your hopes, fears, expectations, speculations, or predictions for the resolution of the sixth season’s cliffhangers going into Season 7, which Netflix announced would be the show’s final season in fall 2018?

This particular CPU! episode was recorded in April 2019, and there are, without question, MAJOR SPOILERS, as the panelists cover key plot points of OITNB Season 6. Listen at your own risk, and let us know what you think by commenting below!

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Remember, new episodes and blog posts are published weekly! Next Wednesday – AT LONG LAST! – and after nearly two years of advertising it, a new retrospective panel of tough-to-schedule members arrives triumphantly, with an Armageddon-inspired walk down the long hallway of our podcasting lives, and sits squarely and victoriously around the Water Cooler. There, they engage in the first of a three-part discussion Looking Back at all time mega-hit 90s sitcom (cue trumpets and the Rembrandts): Friends!  Yes, folks, CPU! will finally be there for you. We always keep our promises and our Central Perks. Eventually. Stay tuned!

Questions, Predictions, and Future Considerations

Old Questions

1) REPEAT QUESTION: Are the OITNB producers planning to end the show at the end of Piper’s sentence? (That will be a question for awhile).

NEW ANSWER: Piper is released from prison at the end of this season after a guard, Hopper, decides to manipulate the system to protect his role in smuggling drugs into the prison, which he does along with Aleida (Elizabeth Rodriguez), who he is seeing sexually and who begins living with him and his “Nana” this season. Also, officially, the show has one season left. So, unless Piper gets herself re-arrested, contrary to the trajectory of the real-life inspiration behind the Piper character, we believe we can remove this question from the list. The question we have now centers on how and if Piper will maintain relationships with those she left behind at the maximum security prison, her now wife Alex included.

2) REPEAT QUESTION: Are we to assume that Suzanne’s (Uzo Aduba) flashback in Season 4 provided the back story related to the reason for her imprisonment: involuntary manslaughter of a child? Because her flashback episode was situated within the last three jam-packed episodes of the season, the panel assumed this to be the case but was not certain.

REPEAT ANSWER: Unclear.  OITNB does not revisit Suzanne’s back story at any point this season.

3) REPEAT QUESTION: Where is the story in terms of Piper’s overall sentence, and how much longer does she have in prison?

NEW ANSWER: She has zero time left in prison as of the Season 6 finale. In one of the final moments of the season, Piper is leaving prison as a kickball game, that she helped to bring to life, plays on without her.

4) REPEAT QUESTION: Will we see Healy (Michael Harney) again?  Panelists Kristen and Kylie predict that we will, since he seems to have voluntarily checked himself into an institution (rather than being involuntarily committed).

NEW ANSWER: Healy makes a brief appearance this season when Caputo (Nick Sandow) attempts to seek help, information, and a reckoning following the Season 5 riot. In their conversation, Healy shares that he left the mental institution, and that he gained calm and a sense of spirituality, and he advises Caputo to “move on” from his dogged pursuits of truth and justice related to the riot. This conversation, as it was, seems rather final as a tie-off for Healy’s character, so we’ll leave this question off the list next time.

5) REPEAT QUESTION: Will we see Lolly (Lori Petty) again now that she has been transferred to the psych ward?

NEW ANSWER: Lolly, apparently, is transferred to Max and placed in the psych block there, i.e. Cell-block B, “Florida.” There, she finds some old friends like Suzanne and Frieda (Dale Soules); listen to the podcast episode for details.

6) Where and when will Season 6 begin?  Will there be a time jump? Will the Litchfield inmates be in various other prisons?  Will they return to a rebuilt prison?  Will we see all of the inmates we saw at the end of Season 5?  Will the inmates hiding by the old swimming pool, including Piper, Alex, Red, Frieda, Blanca, and others, be subjected to more stringent punishment?  Will they all survive?  Will they be captured?

ANSWER: Season 6 immediately begins in Litchfield’s neighboring maximum security prison, with little time having passed between the events of the finale of Season 5 and the opening moments of Season 6. Many of the beloved (and less beloved) Litchfield Penitentiary inmates have been shipped off to other prisons, but most of the ladies we have been following and/or have grown to love (or to hate) have come to stay at “Max.” The swimming pool inmates are all shipped to Max and begin the season in solitary, Cell Block A, only to be transferred when they are able to provide statements as to their guilt or innocence and/or helpful, relatively speaking, testimony related to the cause of and/or influence on the events of the Season 5 riot. All of the inmates from Season 5 appear to survive, and all of the swimming pool inmates are captured by the SWAT team that invades Litchfield Minimum at the end of the fifth season; in the case of Black Cindy (Adrienne C. Moore) and Suzanne, they are captured later than the others because Cindy and Suzanne hide for a time until they are discovered in their hiding place by the armed guards.

7) What will happen to the guards originally left in the prison and captured by the prisoners?  What fallout, if anything, will they receive?

ANSWER: The guards receive no fallout. Though Piscatella dies as a result of “friendly fire” by the SWAT team assigned to quell the prison riot, the corporation, MCC, later re-branded by Linda The Worst as “PolyCon,” endeavors to cover up as much of the riot as it can and does so by scapegoating the prisoners, particularly Taystee (Danielle Brooks), who is positioned to be the “face” of the riot. When she is criminally charged for her role in the previous season’s melee, the prison attracts grassroots attention from the “Black Lives Matter” movement, and Taystee is provided a legal defense by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). On an individual level, however, Corrections Officer (CO) McCullough, the female guard who was particularly tortured by Maria (Jessica Pimentel) during the Season 5 riot, suffers from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) as a result of the riot (coupled with being a veteran), while each of the remaining guards that make the transfer from Litchfield Minimum to Max deal with post-riot processing in their own way.

8) Will Piper and Alex marry in prison, and will this proposed marriage make Piper a more likable character?  Is that even possible?

ANSWER: Yes, Piper and Alex arrange a good old-fashioned prison wedding, with witnesses Nicky and Lorna (Yael Stone) along with Cindy and Flaca (Jackie Cruz) present to celebrate. Whether this wedding and ensuing marriage will make Piper more likable in the end will depend upon her behavior as a free woman while Alex is left to rot in prison in Season 7. Since Piper achieves modest likability improvement in Season 6 via her efforts to act like a human and to organize a kickball game, and relative to B-villain Badison, who is the most annoying new character of the season, anything is possible.

9) Is this the end of Litchfield?

ANSWER: The minimum security penitentiary does not appear, except in flashbacks, in Season 6. One would assume that the corporation would need to time to rebuild after prison riots and meth-head perpetrated arson.

10) What will the fallout of the Litchfield riots be related to the company, the state, and the figureheads?  Will the company be assessed any consequences for its incompetent management of Litchfield?

ANSWER: The Litchfield riot becomes political fodder in Season 6, as MCC aka PolyCon must defend its actions before congressional hearings and the New York state governor. Unfortunately, the company makes the mistake of putting flunky Linda (The. Worst.) in charge as a settlement after losing her among the rioting prisoners in Season 5, when her position, in the end of season headcount, is not questioned in due diligence, since Pennsatuckey (Taryn Manning) escapes both the prison and the headcount in the Season 5 finale. Fortunately, Caputo is on the case and has made it his quest to ensure that the corporation faces consequences, and/or that Taystee is given a fair shake in her trial. Unfortunately, both fronts of that battle are decidedly uphill.

11) Will there be additional crossovers with other original Netflix series – or additional crossovers with Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt?  Some of the panelists support this idea; some are less enthused with both this concept and with the crossover that occurred in Season 5.

ANSWER: There are no further crossovers of any type in Season 6, and the panelists did not seem to miss them, judging by the current discussion.

12) Are there any prisoners, especially prisoners that the viewer has known since the beginning, for which we have not seen flashback stories?  What flashback stories will see next season?

ANSWER: We see flashbacks covering the following circumstances: Cindy and Suzanne during the SWAT incursion at Litchfield Minimum; Cindy’s path to unplanned, teenage pregnancy; young Frieda’s rivalry with season villains Barb (Mackenzie Phillips) and Carol; Nicky’s bat mitzvah; a new Max inmate, a lesbian named Daddy, who takes a shine to Daya (Dascha Polanco) and who gets involved in pimping escorts and distributing drugs pre-prison; Badison, another Max inmate, and her origin story; Taystee’s life working fast food with her friend Tamika, who is a CO at Max; Barb and Carol’s back story, part one; and Barb and Carol’s back story, part two. If there are any inmates who have not been given flashback treatment, none of us know or can recall who they are. Plus, several of the inmates that we have known since the beginning were shipped to different prisons.

13) What was Frieda’s crime that landed her in Litchfield/prison?

ANSWER: The official answer is still, as yet, unknown, though Frieda admits to killing many people throughout the series.

14) Will the company or anyone else discover Linda, the company woman playing prisoner who is also The Worst, among the prisoners?

ANSWER: Linda is discovered in solitary as an unlisted prisoner and creates holy high hell when the mistake is unearthed, resulting in her ability to extort from the corporation a sizable financial settlement, a hefty raise, and a huge promotion that puts her in charge of Interim Warden Fig, who, so far other than Caputo, is the only official at the company who realizes that Linda is, simply, The Worst. Of course, Linda is now in charge of things, and that never bodes well, as we have learned from her flashback and general way of being.

Incidentally, Tuckey uses the same technique on Linda, blackmailing her with the information about her tryst with Big Boo in Season 5 to score a spot in Cell-Block B, the psych block (“Florida”). So, some karma is delivered in a satisfying way to Linda The Worst. Still, the Chief CP is personally voting for the tarring and feathering of Linda at some point. She is my least favorite character by far!

15) Will Flaritza, i.e. Flaca and Maritza, be reunited?  Will Nicky and Morello?

ANSWER: Flaritza are not reunited; Maritza is shipped to a different prison, theoretically giving her more time to appear on Jane the Virgin and other high profile projects. Fortunately for a very pregnant Morello, Nicky and Lorna are reunited in Cell-Block D, Barb’s block, though that positions them squarely against Red (Kate Mulgrew), who lands in C-Block and aligns with Carol to survive, as Barb and Carol are sibling rivals who choose to agree only when it comes to their enmity against Frieda. Listen to the podcast episode for details.

16) Will Daya ever get to see her baby again?

ANSWER: Since Daya enters a guilty plea for second degree murder this season, in order to avoid the death penalty for her role in the riot and in former CO Humps’ murder, earning a life prison sentence instead, chances are very slim. Daya even calls Pornstache’s mother to tell her how to find Daya’s baby, so that the little tyke will have a good life and proper care. Daya subsequently proceeds to, essentially, give in to Daddy’s advances and to give up mentally by developing an oxy addiction, particularly after the other women on her block beat her regularly following her guilty plea. Listen to the podcast episode for details.

New Questions

1) Will Piper maintain relationships with her prison friends? How will she conduct married life when she’s out of jail, and Alex remains in prison?

2) Will we see any of the inmates who were shipped to other prisons again in the final season? I think the panelists particularly missed Big Boo, Soso, and Maritza.

3) Who will fill the vacuum created in Barb and Carol’s absence? Will Alex take on the power role in place of Carol? Will Red? Will Gloria (Selenis Levya) step up in Barb’s absence? Will Daddy?

4) What is wrong with Lorna at season’s end? Will her baby survive?

5) Will the show check in with Blanca (Laura Gomez) next season after she is turned over to INS in the sixth season finale?

6) Will PolyCon get into some sort of significant trouble for incompetent management? Will Jason Biggs return with a triumphant story of investigative journalism exposing the mismanagement and corruption of the corporation?

7) Will we see Judy King or Yoga Jones again?

8) Will the show focus on the core group of prisoners, or will it introduce even more new prisoners in the show’s final season?

9) Will there be a time jump?

10) Will Frieda’s fate be death in prison?

11) Will Taystee be sentenced to death? How will she confront Cindy’s betrayal? How will Cindy atone for that betrayal?

12) Will Gloria or Red survive their transfer to solitary confinement, particularly since Gloria was put in solitary roughly by “fantasy inmate” kingpin, CO Alvarez? Will they be allowed to move back to Gen Pop next season?

PARTING SHOTS

Our Orange is the New Black panel proved much more tepid about the sixth season than about some of the seasons preceding it.  Most panelists felt that the transition to “Max” was an engaging new backdrop for the inmates in which we have invested six seasons’ worth of viewing time, though the backdrop did not necessarily entice or sustain on all story fronts when all was said and done, particularly in lieu of the volume of new characters introduced this season, which also monopolized some of the flashback storytelling and not always successfully.  Though some of the panelists found themselves reluctant to start this most recent season, all panelists also noted that once they began watching Season 6, the story, including the bevy of new characters, managed to engage them once again.  The panel further warmed to Piper, believing that she continues to learn lessons that her real-life counterpart never had to learn because Piper Chapman makes less intelligent choices than Piper Kerman.  

All in all, though, the panel reached a repeat consensus of opinion: the story trajectory remained mostly compelling but for some jarring origin stories for the season’s new villains, namely Badison, Barb, and Carol. At the same time, with the release of several inmates, including Piper, by season’s end; the transfer of several inmates to prisons unseen; and the lack of a tense cliffhanger in the finale, the panelists also all agree that calling Season 7 the final season is a smart move, which will, hopefully, allow the show to go out on a strong note.  The entire panel plans to continue to watch the show and Season 7 to find out what happens at the last, particularly given the increasing separation of the main characters and the uncertain fates of vulnerable individuals, such as Blanca. The panel additionally hopes that viewers will be given glimpses of character fates, if not fateful reunions of separated characters in the remaining episodes.  Of course, the panel acknowledges that the writing remains dynamic and top-notch and maintains high hopes and expectations that Season 7 will continue the overarching, excellent quality of storytelling that has characterized Orange is the New Black since its premiere. The panelists, finally, ultimately, hope that the series finale will finish as powerfully as the series has generally played for the whole of its Netflix run.

LOOKING AHEAD

Orange is the New Black had already been renewed for a seventh season as of 2017, though Netflix announced in fall 2018 that Season 7 would be the show’s last. Season 7 is tentatively slated to premiere in summer 2019, after which our panel of #orangepeels (wait…that’s not a thing?) will reconvene a final time with a two-part goodbye miniseries in which we recap the final season and Look Back at the unlikely comedy-drama as a whole. Until then!

PODCAST! – Streaming Originals & Around the Water Cooler: Marvel’s Defenders Series, Episode Twelve, “Marvel’s Daredevil” – the Season 3 Recap and Review + Post-Mortem (MAJOR SPOILERS)

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Moderator: Chief Couch Potato Kylie

THE SPECS:

Who: “Marvel’s Daredevil” is a superhero/action/crime drama based upon the Marvel Comics character Daredevil and is a Netflix original series, always available on Netflix.

What: “Marvel’s Daredevil,” developed by Drew Goddard, is set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), sharing continuity with the films of the franchise, and is the first in a series of shows that led up to a Defenders crossover miniseries. Lawyer-by-day Matt Murdock (Charlie Cox) uses his heightened senses, a side effect of being blinded by a radioactive substance as a young boy, to fight crime at night on the streets of New York City’s Hell’s Kitchen neighborhood as Daredevil.

SYNOPSIS

Charlie Cox stars as Matt Murdock / Daredevil, a blind lawyer-by-day who fights crime at night.  His associates include Karen Page (Deborah Ann Woll), a plucky whistle-blower with a heart of gold, and Foggy Nelson (Elden Henson), Matt’s law partner and best friend.  Vincent D’Onofrio plays the series’ primary villain, Wilson Fisk, also known as Kingpin.  In the third season, after Fisk is released from prison, Murdock, who has been missing for months following the events of The Defenders, reemerges as a broken man and must decide between hiding from the world as a criminal lawyer and embracing his life as a hero vigilante.

When: The third season of the series was released in its entirety to the Netflix streaming library on October 19, 2018.

Where: The action is set primarily in the New York City, New York, neighborhood of Hell’s Kitchen, as depicted in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Why: To find out why individual podcast panelists started watching this show, listen to the very first “Marvel’s Defenders” podcast episode via the embedded link below.

How – as in How Was It? – THOUGHTS

As long-time listeners should know by now, CPU! is chock full of panelists with a proclivity for comic book and superhero TV shows and films, including your Chief CP. Our Marvel’s Defenders Series was born of this proclivity, as we have already covered the first two seasons of Daredevil; the two available seasons of Jessica Jones; the two available seasons of Luke Cage; the two available seasons of Iron Fist; the one available season of the crossover event miniseries, The Defenders; and the first season of the first spin-off series, The Punisher. Listen to the links below:

Marvel’s Defenders Series, Episode One, “Daredevil,” Season 1

Marvel’s Defenders Series, Episode Two, “Jessica Jones,” Season 1

Marvel’s Defenders Series, Episode Three, “Daredevil,” Season 2

Marvel’s Defenders Series, Episode Four, “Luke Cage,” Season 1

Marvel’s Defenders Series, Episode Five, “Iron Fist,” Season 1

Marvel’s Defenders Series, Episode Six, “The Defenders,” Season 1

Marvel’s Defenders Series, Episode Seven, “The Punisher,” Season 1

Marvel’s Defenders Series, Episode Eight, “Jessica Jones,” Season 2

Marvel’s Defenders Series, Episode Nine, “Luke Cage,” Season 2

Marvel’s Defenders Series, Episode Ten, “Iron Fist,” Season 2

Marvel’s Defenders Series, Episode Eleven, Canceled Corner: “Luke Cage,” “Iron Fist,” and “The Defenders”

In this, the twelfth episode of our Marvel’s Defenders Series, we revisit the first of Netflix’s series of Marvel-centered shows that led up to The Defenders miniseries, namely Daredevil, featuring Defenders Series panelists Nick, Kristen, Hilary, Kyle, and Spencer.  In this episode, our panelists experience multiple “nerdgasms,” somewhat mitigated by the pall of the series cancellation, over what most of our panelists believe is one of the best seasons of television, superhero or otherwise, of all time.  Common reactions to this season praise story execution; direction; pacing; fight choreography; and the top-notch performances of Charlie Cox, Vincent D’Onofrio, Wilson Bethel as Ben Poindexter aka Bullseye, and the ensemble cast of this, the crown jewel of the Netflix Marvel universe.  Though our panel would have willingly and eagerly gobbled up a fourth season, Daredevil has since been canceled by the streaming giant, likely due to negotiation breakdowns with Marvel parent company Disney in lieu of the latter company’s hunger for a piece of the streaming pie. Therefore, in this episode, we also process our feelings of grief and mourning over this incredible series, for which we all, even panelist Kristen, offer unreserved lauds and accolades.  To hear us hash out these thoughts further, listen to our discussion via the embedded link below.

This podcast episode was recorded in March 2019, and there are, without question, MAJOR SPOILERS, as we cover major plot points throughout the third (and final) season of Daredevil.  Do you agree or disagree?  Listen at your own risk, and let us know what you think by commenting below.

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Lingering Questions from Season 2

1) Will the Hand v. Chaste/Black Sky story line be more flushed out in Season 3?

ANSWER: No. The Hand v. Chaste/Black Sky story line is arguably more flushed out in The Defenders miniseries, though some of our panelists, Kyle particularly, feel that said flushing out is poorly executed in the crossover event. Season 3 of Daredevil does not address the Hand nor Matt’s historic affiliation with members of the Chaste at all.

2) Will Elektra be resurrected by the Hand with their apparent mystic mastery over life and death?

ANSWER: Elektra Natchios is mystically resurrected by the five “Fingers” of the Hand in The Defenders crossover miniseries. Listen to that CPU! episode (embedded above) for further details.

3) Will Karen ever be plagued by or deal with aftermath stemming from the fact that she shot James Westley in season one?

ANSWER: She will – in this season, in fact! Though we see Karen process, minimally, her murder of James Westley from Season 1 via her friendship with Frank Castle aka The Punisher in Season 2 of Daredevil, it is not until Season 3 when she finally begins to confess and, therefore, to work through her sin, first to/with Foggy Nelson when her worry for an AWOL Matt reaches fever pitch upon Wilson Fisk’s (aka Kingpin) release from prison into federal custody, and then to/with Fisk himself. Her apparent guilt, however, at taking Fisk’s confidant’s life seems to be eclipsed by her reckless need to confront Fisk in the moment. While Fisk is held under house arrest in his former penthouse, an arrangement he manipulated out of the FBI from prison, a rattled Karen, once Fisk’s particular target, takes it upon herself to sneak into his penthouse to embark upon a face-to-face verbal exchange with the charismatic puppet-master. In this conversation, she openly confesses to killing Westley to Wilson in an effort to incite Fisk to commit violence against her under the watchful eyes of several FBI special agents in an adjacent surveillance room. Her plan backfires, however, when Fisk uses the encounter, instead, to verify his suspicion that Matt Murdock is Daredevil, confirmed by the worried expression on Karen’s face when Fisk poses the question directly. It is a brilliant scene, universally appreciated by our panel. Listen to the podcast episode for our reactions.

4) Does Punisher know “Red’s” true identity, as several panelists suspect?

ANSWER: Unconfirmed, at least as of Daredevil Season 3. Frank Castle aka The Punisher does not appear in the final season of Daredevil.

5) Given Jeri Hogarth’s crossover into this series from Jessica Jones to hire Foggy for her firm, will Elden Henson appear in the next season of Jessica Jones?

ANSWER: Yes. Elden Henson appears in Jessica Jones, Season 2, in the episode “AKA Sole Survivor.”

6) Will Daredevil be forced to protect Kingpin from the wrath of Punisher after Kingpin and Punisher’s interactions in prison?

ANSWER: No. The Punisher does not appear in Daredevil Season 3; however, Daredevil does have to protect both Kingpin and his love, Vanessa (Ayelet Zurer), from Bullseye (Bethel) in the now series finale. Listen to the podcast episode for details.

7) Will Bullseye appear next season because Matt picked a fight with Kingpin in prison, and Bullseye is Kingpin’s most loyal henchman (in the comic books)?

ANSWER: Bullseye appears in Season 3, not as a direct result of Matt’s fight with Kingpin in prison in Season 2 but as an indirect result of their overall enmity. When Wilson meets FBI Special Agent Ben Poindexter for the first time this season, one of his guards and overseers when he is transferred to his old penthouse from prison, Wilson sees both extraordinary talent for marksmanship and a barely concealed level of sociopath-related tendencies motivating a broken and nervous figure in Poindexter. Wilson later exploits these tendencies and talents, creating not only an unflinchingly loyal henchman – at least, until revelations come to light that shake this loyalty – but also the actual in-show origin story for the villain known as Bullseye. Listen to the podcast episode for details.

8) Will the Owl, Leland Owsley’s son, appear in Season 3?

ANSWER: No. The Owl does not appear in Season 3.

PARTING SHOTS

All of the Marvel’s Defenders Series panelists declare that Daredevil Season 3 is a bona fide hit and a masterful pinnacle of television excellence. Even panelist Kristen has been reluctantly converted to the Daredevil fandom, even if not as wholeheartedly as fellow panelist Kyle, and most, if not all, of the panelists believe that this particular season of Daredevil exemplifies one of the best seasons of television, superhero or otherwise, of all time. All of the panelists effusively gushed about D’Onofrio’s performance as Kingpin in addition to Cox’s steady and consistently perfect portrayal of Murdock/Daredevil. The panel was more mixed about Woll’s performance as Karen again, with some panelists, such as Spencer, finding her tedious, while other panelists, like Chief CP Kylie, Kristen, and Kyle, seeing her improved potential, particularly in light of the character’s original fate in the source comic books.

Furthermore, all panelists are greatly disappointed, angry, even downright surly when faced with the news that Netflix canceled, possibly involuntarily, the six Defenders series, Daredevil chiefly among them, as we all believe (Kristen too) that this is the best of all the Netflix Defenders shows. It is the series offering the viewer the most to gain, both in entertainment value and via tracking Kingpin’s individual journey from the first season, by re-watching/reviewing the entire series. Daredevil is also the series, so far, with the best ending, even if that ending includes a cliffhanger in the tag that only served to tempt and to tantalize and, therefore, to disappoint in light of the cancellation. In any event, we hope that once Marvel/Disney can utilize these characters again, contractually or otherwise, the companies see fit to revive Daredevil. The panel universally agrees that it is the best Marvel television series to date; the cast is certainly, publicly, game to return, and the internet chatter has been nothing but a combination of positive reaction to the third season, the widely acknowledged best of them all, and of outright, raw disappointment in the idea that capitalism caused the series’ downfall. We can only hope that Disney, Marvel, Netflix, or some other creative business deal will make all right in the near future because something as good as Daredevil should not be left in the television vault for long. Our podcast panel – and, indeed, many of our listeners – implore anyone who can to #savedaredevil, as we believe it is simply one of the best television shows – ever.

THE FUTURE OF THE SHOW

Canceled!  Netflix canceled Daredevil on November 29, 2018, after three seasons.  What’s more, Netflix canceled the remaining solo series as well; thus, CPU!’s Marvel Defenders Series panel’s days are now decidedly numbered. In this panel’s last two episodes, we will review the second and final season of The Punisher and the third and final season of Jessica Jones, respectivelyStay tuned!

LOOKING AHEAD

The CPU! Marvel’s Defenders Series panel will return to the Water Cooler later this year to review the second and final season of The Punisherand to discuss our post-mortem reactions to the cancellation of that series. Until then!

NEXT CPU! LIVE!

CPU! is going live again!!!  CPU! will next be LIVE at Blue Bridge Games (954 Fulton SE, Grand Rapids, Michigan) on March 31, 2019, at 2:00 PM!  In that live podcast (also streamed to our Facebook page), a brand new, one-time panel will take “A Shiny Look Back at Firefly” at Grand Rapids’ newest purveyor of tabletop and role playing games for purchase! Like our Facebook page or follow us on Twitter and Instagram to keep abreast of all the details!  Stay tuned!

PODCAST! – Around the Water Cooler: DC Television Universe Series, Episode 18, the DCTU Series Panel’s Bonus “Elseworlds” Review and Recap (MAJOR SPOILERS)

Moderator: Chief Couch Potato Kylie

THE SPECS:

Who: The DC Television Universe or DCTU Series Panel – Kyle, Hilary, Spencer, Kristen, and Nick – plus Chief CP Kylie as moderator.

What: “Elseworlds,” the three-episode 2018 Arrowverse crossover event melding cast members from “Arrow,” “The Flash,” and “Supergirl,” three of the four shows that comprise the so-called “Arrowverse” on the CW, otherwise known as the DC (Comics) Television Universe or DCTU.

When: The “Elseworlds” crossover began on December 9, 2018, with The Flash (8:00 PM) and concluded on December 11, 2018, with Supergirl (8:00 PM).

Where: The action is primarily set in the DC Comics Universe, specifically in Central City (The Flash), Star City (Arrow), Gotham City, and on Earth-38 (Supergirl), specifically in the fictional town of Smallville, Kansas, and in the North Pole, where Superman’s Fortress of Solitude is hidden.

Why: To find out why individual podcast panelists started watching each of these shows, listen to our DCTU series in full by clicking the floating box at the top right of our website header, the picture of the couch full of TV watchers, to search for all of the prior DCTU series episodes.  As for why we are covering this crossover separately, read on!

How – as in How Was It?

The Specially Formulated For Your Viewing Pleasure “Elseworlds” Crossover rating scale:

***** – HOLY SMOKES! This is the BEST. CROSSVER. EVER!!!!!

**** – Intriguing.  Please make more, CW/Arrowverse producers.  You get better each time, though you’re not perfect yet.

*** – It was fine/okay.  Nothing special.  There were parts I liked and parts I didn’t.  Allow me to explain.

** – Meh.  I was bored.  Nice idea, but the execution left something to be desired.

* – Not your best, Arrowverse.  Stop trying!

Elseworlds = 3.9, by average of the podcast panel.

SYNOPSIS

“Elseworlds” introduces the characters Kate Kane aka Batwoman (Ruby Rose) and Lois Lane (Elizabeth Tulloch) to the Arrowverse as well as the fictional Gotham City. In the crossover, Oliver Queen aka the Green Arrow (Stephen Amell), Barry Allen aka the Flash (Grant Gustin), and Kara Danvers aka Supergirl (Melissa Benoist) are drawn to Gotham City to confront Dr. John Deegan (Jeremy Davies) over his work at Arkham Asylum.

THOUGHTS

This is the eighteenth episode in CPU!’s DCTU series.  Because we have reached double digits for this massive series, from here on out, we are only going to embed prior episodes from the immediately previous season at mid-season or only the previous episodes of the show in particular that we are covering if we are covering any of the series individually, which you can listen to for reference in advance of the current podcast episode.  All of our episodes, however, are searchable here at the website or, for audio-only types, you can find our page at our file host, the Internet Archive (archive.org), which has all of our episodes compiled in one handy menu.  It’s pretty nice, actually.  If you feel so inclined, please also donate to the Archive, so garage podcasts like your humble CPU! can continue to thrive.  For now, here are the DCTU series episodes since the DCTU 2018 Mid-Season Roundup:

DCTU Series, Episode 11, the DCTU 2018 Mid-Season Roundup

DCTU Series, Episode 13, “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow,” Season 3

DCTU Series, Episode 14, “Arrow,” Season 6

DCTU Series, Episode 15, “The Flash,” Season 4

DCTU Series, Episode 16, “Supergirl,” Season 3

DCTU Series, Episode 17, the DCTU 2019 Mid-Season Roundup

Our cheeky and feisty and full DCTU panel, again this year, specially requested a separate discussion to dissect the three episode mega-crossover Arrowverse event entitled “Elseworlds.”  Why, might you ask? Well, we might answer. The panel, by and large, yet again, enjoyed this season’s crossover event, particularly due to the fact that it was so jam-packed with all of the nerdy, DC Universe goodness, plus a staggering, possibly record, number of Easter Eggs and pop culture references outside of comic books (DC or otherwise). The panelists additionally felt, yet again, that a separate recording was necessary to digest all of the wonderful everything included in this special event.  Our DCTU panelists, therefore, talk about their mostly positive assessment of the crossover of casts from Arrow, The Flash, and Supergirl, though some of our panelists might have exhibited more qualms overall with this crossover as compared to last year’s entry, “Crisis on Earth-X.” Give us a listen below, and let us know if you agree or disagree with our thoughts!

This particular CPU! episode was recorded in February 2019, and there are, without question, MAJOR SPOILERS, as the panelists cover key plot points of the “Elseworlds.” Listen at your own risk, and let us know what you think by commenting below!

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Remember, new episodes and blog posts are published weekly! Next Wednesday, our Once Upon a Time panel returns – for the last time – to the Water Cooler, in the second of two final triumphant discussions, to Look Back at the entirety of the long-running fantasy series and to say goodbye, both to the series and to each other (for now).  Stay tuned!

PARTING SHOTS

Ultimately, our intrepid DCTU panel proffered more mixed reactions to “Elseworlds” than they did to “Crisis on Earth-X,” the all-series crossover event from 2017.  The general consensus noted that this three episode event was a bit more uneven in terms of pacing and story plotting, though alternatively, it was positively giddy and/or stupid with DC Comics and other pop culture-related Easter eggs designed to keep engaged viewers rapt for hours of repeat viewing. While the panel generally believes that the writers did well to limit the number of “Arrowverse” characters that appeared in “Elseworlds,” there also seemed to be more of a struggle on the part of the writers to utilize even those characters featured in the most meaningful of ways. This struggle was most visible in relation to Melissa Benoist’s Supergirl, who seemed to be along only for color commentary, “adorkable” charm, and to act as a liaison for the real draw, her cousin Superman (guest: Tyler Hoechlin). The crossover also did little to advance the stories of any of the individual Arrowverse series’ seasons proper, though it did seem to function as the unofficial second act of an arguable trilogy beginning with “Crisis on Earth-X” and ending with the teased crossover event of 2019, “Crisis on Infinite Earths.”

Still, according to all panelists who saw Justice League in theaters, “Elseworlds” continues to reign supreme compared to most DC cinematic vehicles, despite its small screen medium. On the other hand, some of our panelists, such as Kyle and Spencer, struggled with what they considered to be an anticlimactic introduction to Kate Kane aka Batwoman; some of our panelists, such as Kristen and Chief CP Kylie, lamented the pacing in the Supergirl chapter; and some of our panelists, such as Nick and Kyle, struggled with the written motivations of the villain, the Monitor, while postulating that the “Crisis on Infinite Earths” event teased for the end of the year will not be an exact copy of the major DC comics story of the same name.  Aside from other extremely minor nitpicks, however, the panel particularly enjoyed the extended screen time shared by Oliver Queen and Barry Allen in the “Freaky Friday meets Quantum Leap” Flash chapter as well as the protracted appearances of Clark Kent aka Superman and dream girl Lois Lane. Because of these aspects, as well as the high quantity of Easter Eggs (estimated to be more than 100 over the course of the three episodes), the panel highly recommends watching “Elseworlds” to anyone who loves superhero/comic book adaptations, particularly from the DC universe, and to anyone who loves action television and cinema in general.  In addition, since the CW provides the opportunity to watch the three episodes separately from the main series within which they aired, and since the episodes can largely be viewed and understood without needing to see episodes before or after them, the panel believes that anyone who has not watched the crossover and would want to watch it simply has no excuse or cause for delay, especially since the CW app is free to all.

LOOKING AHEAD

The four Arrowverse shows returned or will return from their mid-season hiatuses as follows:

The Flash: Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 8:00 PM
Supergirl: Sunday, January 20, 2019, 8:00 PM
Arrow: Monday, January 21, 2019, 8:00 PM
DC’s Legends of Tomorrow: Monday, April 1, 2019, 9:00 PM.

On January 31, 2019, the CW renewed all four Arrowverse shows for an additional season, all of which will likely premiere some time in fall 2019 and likely in or around October, if the trend from prior seasons holds.  In the meantime, the DCTU podcast panel will next convene around the CPU! water cooler, most likely in Summer 2019, to begin the annual series of four end of season recaps for each of the four Arrowverse shows.  Until then!  Stay tuned!

PODCAST! – Around the Water Cooler: DC Television Universe Series, Episode 17, the DCTU Panel’s 2018-2019 Mid-Season Roundup (MAJOR SPOILERS)

Moderator: Chief Couch Potato Kylie

THE SPECS:

Who: The DC Television Universe or DCTU Series Panel – Kyle, Hilary, Spencer, Kristen, and Nick – plus Chief CP Kylie as moderator.

What: “Arrow,” “The Flash,” “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow,” and “Supergirl,” the four shows that comprise the so-called “Arrowverse” on the CW, otherwise known as the DC (Comics) Television Universe or DCTU.

When: 

  • Arrow currently airs Mondays at 8:00 PM; Season 7 premiered on October 15, 2018.
  • The Flash airs Tuesdays at 8:00 PM; Season 5 premiered on October 9, 2018.
  • DC’s Legends of Tomorrow airs Mondays at 9:00 PM, though it is currently on hiatus; Season 4 premiered on October 22, 2018.
  • Supergirl airs Sundays at 8:00 PM; Season 4 premiered on October 14, 2018.

Where: The action is primarily set in the DC Comics Universe, specifically in Star City (Arrow), Central City (The Flash), National City (Supergirl), and throughout space and time (“Legends”).

Why: To find out why individual podcast panelists started watching each of these shows, listen to our DCTU series in full by clicking the floating box at the top right of our website header, the picture of the couch full of TV watchers, to search for all of the prior DCTU series episodes.  As for why we are covering four shows at once (for now), read on!

How – as in How Busy Are We? – THOUGHTS

This is the seventeenth episode in CPU!’s DCTU series.  Because we have reached double digits for this massive series, from here on out, we are only going to embed prior episodes from the immediately previous season at mid-season or only the previous episodes of the show in particular that we are covering if we covering any of the series individually, which you can listen to for reference in advance of the current podcast episode.  All of our episodes, however, are searchable here at the website or, for audio-only types, you can find our page at our file host, the Internet Archive (archive.org), which has all of our episodes compiled in one handy menu.  It’s pretty nice, actually.  If you feel so inclined, please also donate to the Archive, so garage podcasts like your humble CPU! can continue to thrive.  For now, here are the DCTU series episodes since the DCTU 2017 Mid-Season Roundup:

DCTU Series, Episode 11, the DCTU 2018 Mid-Season Roundup

DCTU Series, Episode 13, “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow,” Season 3

DCTU Series, Episode 14, “Arrow,” Season 6

DCTU Series, Episode 15, “The Flash,” Season 4

DCTU Series, Episode 16, “Supergirl,” Season 3

In this episode, our cheeky and feisty and full and otherwise busy DCTU panel was subjected to (now for) something kind of differently but mostly the same.  We decided to check in with each other in advance of this season’s end, when we will visit each show’s current season in four episodes, one for each show, by rounding up our thoughts so far about all of the Arrowverse shows.  We play games and engage in additional snarky shenanigans, however, which reach our usual level of spiciness and hi-jinks, but you know me – I don’t want to oversell it!!  Our panelists talk about their current, sometimes cursory, assessment of the progress of Season 7 of Arrow, Season 5 of The Flash, and Season 4 of DC’s Legends of Tomorrow and Supergirl.  Give us a listen below, and let us know if you agree or disagree with our thoughts!

This particular CPU! episode was recorded in February 2019, and there are, without question, MAJOR SPOILERS, as the panelists cover key plot points of the current seasons of all four Arrowverse shows. Listen at your own risk, and let us know what you think by commenting below!

Follow us on Facebook, Twitter (@cpupodcast), Instagram (@couchpotatoesunite), Pinterest (@cpupodcast), or email us at couchpotatoesunitepodcast@gmail.com – or subscribe to this blog, the YouTube channel, our iTunes channel, our Stitcher Radio channel , and/or find us on Google Play to keep track of brand new episodes.  In the meantime, let us know what you think!  Comment or review us in any of the above forums – we’d love your feedback!

Remember, new episodes and blog posts are published weekly! Next week, our DCTU panel returns to the CPU! water cooler for a special, bonus, specially recorded, specially requested episode during which we discuss the Arrowverse’s 2018 mega crossover television movie event, “Elseworlds,” for which we “saved” discussion about said crossover specifically for this specially special bonus episode, as you will hear advertised throughout tonight’s episode.  Stay tuned!

Questions, Impressions, and Future Considerations

(New Questions Only; All Questions, New and Old, Will Be Addressed End of Season)

1) Echo Kellum, who plays Curtis Holt aka Mr. Terrific on Arrow, is leaving the cast in this next half season (remember: we do not discuss the next half, if that half has already started airing, in the Mid-Season Roundup). How is Mr. Terrific written off the show?

2) What is the point of the “flash forward” story line, and why are the Arrow writers introducing it so late in the game? Are they really so hard up for material? Is Felicity Smoak (Emily Bett Rickards) really dead in this future? If not, where did she go, and what the hell is happening? Is this future on another Earth or on our Earth? Where is Oliver Queen/Green Arrow (Stephen Amell) in this future?

3) How will Oliver encounter the New Green Arrow (NGA), and what will he learn?

4) Why do we care about the Longbow Hunters? Aren’t they kind of lame?

5) What is Eobard Thawne/Reverse Flash’s (currently played by Tom Cavanaugh) plan on The Flash? Why is he using Nora West-Allen aka XS (Jessica Parker Kennedy), Barry Allen (Grant Gustin) and Iris West’s (Candice Patton) daughter from the future, for his evil? Or, is she working for him and why?

6) What is the little journal, containing presumably Speed Force writing, that Nora is carrying around with her?

7) How much longer will Orlin Dwyer aka Cicada (guest: Chris Klein) be a factor? The panel has some decidedly mixed reactions to him.

8) If Neron is the Big Bad on “Legends,” will we be meeting any Green Lanterns or related? How did John Constantine (Matt Ryan) piss him off?

9) What is Biff, er, Henry Heywood’s (guest: Tom Wilson) master plan? Capture magical fugitives…and then what? What is the top secret plan to which he keeps referring?

10) Why is Mona Wu (Ramona Young) a thing? What is her purpose? What is Gary’s purpose for that matter?

11) Will Nate Heywood aka Steel (Nick Zano) ever leave bureaucracy and rejoin the Waverider team?

12) Why is Desmond’s death a fixed point in time? Why is Neron, wearing Desmond’s face, interested in Hank Heywood?

13) Why is Lena Luthor (Katie McGrath) truly experimenting with Black Kryptonite/Harun-El on Supergirl? What is she really hoping to accomplish?

14) Will we see more of Clark Kent aka Superman (guest: Tyler Hoechlin) or Lois Lane (guest: Elizabeth Tulloch) on this show?

15) Just how many versions of Parasite are there in this universe?

16) How much more of a factor will Ben Lockwood aka Agent Liberty (guest: Sam Witwer) be this season?

17) Why does Kara Danvers aka Supergirl (Melissa Benoist) even need the DEO? Superman isn’t employed…

18) Why should we care about Nia Nal aka Dreamer (Nicole Maines)?

PARTING SHOTS 

The panel proves to be truly all over the place, when reacting to the Arrowverse’s current season, in the episode at hand; what the panelists are able to agree upon is that the Arrowverse is equally all over the place in terms of quality and watch-ability, which produces a panel discussion pockmarked by a decidedly reduced exhibition of enthusiasm.  Half of the panel regards The Flash as the continued shining jewel of the multiverse, while the other half of the panel believes that Legends of Tomorrow has improved so masterfully, it is now the best of the four series.  Half of the panel finds Arrow to continue to flounder at the bottom of the heap, despite being the show that started it all, while the other half of the panel cringes, with rising disappointment, at the plummet in quality that Supergirl has seemingly experienced this season.  Notably, all members of the panel agree that the latter show has experienced a shockingly marked decline in entertainment value and in engagement, with a ham-fisted social allegory that clubs one over the head to the point of tedium and an apparent struggle to find new cohesion as cast members change and as, even, older characters transform and veer away dramatically from what they appeared to be in earlier seasons.

The panelists further enjoy the show about the Scarlet Speedster and the show about the non-legendary Legends most, believing that they boast consistently entertaining humor, tight ensemble casts, and an enjoyable and ingenuous addition in the character of Constantine.  Similarly, the panelists, by and large, regard the show about the Emerald Archer to be marginally better this season compared to previous seasons, with less recycled story-lines and squandered story potential, but continue to struggle with the overall story direction and their personal disinterest in the story itself, having felt disengaged for several consecutive seasons. Plus, they are starting to worry at what the writers, producers, and network might try to do if Stephen Amell leaves the cast, believing that no version of Arrow can survive without him.  More than ever, the panel has expressed growing dissatisfaction (if not outright resentment) at the thought of having to continue to watch both Arrow and Supergirl for this paneleven as the panelists look forward to what the second halves of The Flash and “Legends” seasons might bring to our collective viewing experiences.

LOOKING AHEAD

The four Arrowverse shows returned or will return from their mid-season hiatuses as follows:

The Flash: Tuesday, January 15, 2019, 8:00 PM
Supergirl: Sunday, January 20, 2019, 8:00 PM
Arrow: Monday, January 21, 2019, 8:00 PM
DC’s Legends of Tomorrow: Monday, April 1, 2019, 9:00 PM.

On January 31, 2019, the CW renewed all four Arrowverse shows for an additional season, all of which will likely premiere some time in fall 2019 and likely in or around October, if the trend from prior seasons holds.  In the meantime, the DCTU podcast panel will next convene around the CPU! water cooler to discuss the 2018 mid-season crossover event “Elseworlds,” which will publish next week.  Until then!  Stay tuned!